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Determining the last milestone in Classic Rock

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I hope this thread lands up being as interesting as I intend it to be. I actually put in a lot of time thinking about how to do this thread.....

Classic Rock has always fascinated me because it is always changing in a sense....Classic Rock radio stations play Nirvana now, but I remember in 1993 when Nirvana was not considered relative to classic rock. The definition of Classic Rock and the time period in which the music is considered is always expanding because it seems that as long as something is aged, it eventually becomes classic rock....

But I'm not sure that classic rock is merely time-based......I think some people would agree that classic rock, more than anything to do with how old a rock song is, is more determined by the sound and meaning of a song.

So my poll is determine where Head-fi is at in terms of considering the end of the era of true classic rock. I picked albums which I feel all separately can be considered milestones for rock, but it is up to you to determine where the end of the thread of classic rock is.....

The last real milestone of Classic Rock is......which opinion do you choose?

A) 1979 - Pink Floyd's The wall - While I feel alll the other albums below have their merits and are true classics in a way, the end of the Classic Rock era really can be felt with Pink Floyd's The Wall. After this, the MTV generation begins and Classic Rock artists are not the same.

B) 1980 - AC/DC's Back In Black - This is a monster of an album and is definitely to be bracketed in what is real Classic Rock. AC/DC is always to me a Classic Rock band! The others below are less-so classic rock to me.

C) 1987 - U2's The Joshua Tree - Everyone knows this is Classic Rock so the real decision is, "is this really the last hoorah for the genre." While U2 would go on to create Achtung Baby, I really see that as a break from the old and a try at the new sound of the age (an end of classic rock)........the other albums below are more "Contemporary Rock" or "Alternative Rock" to me.....The Joshua tree is Classic Rock's last masterwork.

D) 1987 - Guns N Roses' Appetite For Destruction - Not only is this Classic Rock, but it's some of the best Classic Rock ever recorded. But when Grunge hits a few years later that truly signals the prominence of Alternative Rock in contrast to Classic Rock.......so my vote is Appetite For Destruction is the last milestone in the chain of great Classic Rock records

E) 1991 - Nirvana's Nevermind - Maybe it wasn't considered Classic Rock at the time, but neither were the Stones or The Who or Zeppelin when they were around.....Classic is a term which can only apply to something that is aged and is quality. So this is clearly Classic Rock....... I don't feel that Radiohead really falls into this category.

F) 1997 - Radiohead's OK Computer - This album is a total piece of Classic Rock despite it's disclusion from classic rock radio. In my mind this is the last classic of the genre considering that Radiohead's next album was a break from rock almost entirely.

G) I think there is a different definitive final milestone and I will specify below....

H) I believe there is no final milestone, as long as quality rock ages it will too be bracketed under the Classic Rock category. In other words......Classic Rock is not a sound, but a time restriction.
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post #2 of 13
For me it's B) as when I think of Classic Rock, I always think of Back in Black, even if I don't really like it so much.

However, I voted H). 20-30 years from now, I'm sure the list of Classic Rock will expand to include some of the favorites from the late 1990's and 2000's.
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Lots of votes, but not much discussion.....keep this thrread going!
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post #4 of 13
Classic rock is just a name to me. All of the bands listed are very different from each other, so it is not really a genre, rather it is good radio rock of "yesteryear". Needless to say, I voted "H".
post #5 of 13
I voted B. I really don't see mainstream rock from the 80s being as loved in the future as I love what is now classic rock (Zeppelin, Who, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, etc).
post #6 of 13
I voted B as well. This is a very generational thing. I grew up listening to WKDF Classic Rock, which, in the South, was lots of Skynyrd and old ZZ Top and so on. That station faded as that era of rock went away.

I don't know what people will call the Radiohead era, but it won't be classic rock. Classic rock grew on the heels of the Stones, and became something else when everybody got used to it and synthesizers came into play.
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I voted B as well. This is a very generational thing. I grew up listening to WKDF Classic Rock, which, in the South, was lots of Skynyrd and old ZZ Top and so on. That station faded as that era of rock went away.

I don't know what people will call the Radiohead era, but it won't be classic rock. Classic rock grew on the heels of the Stones, and became something else when everybody got used to it and synthesizers came into play.
Maybe it will come to be known as....

Post Classic Rock....or
Alternative Rock.....or
Modern Rock......or
Rock....plain and simple.........


I know that the term Classic Jazz refers to the pre-bop era, that isn't to say that Bop and post bop isn't classic jazz, but as the category is known Classic Jazz is pre-War almost exclusively.....

The term Classical music has two meanings.......one is the superbroad category of any music which has been written down in notation and re-interpretted by several artists......anything orchestral, anything from the medieval era to the modern and post modern era

But to a musicologist....Classical refers to a very specific time and place 1750-1820ish.........Vienna..........that's Classical Music. Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven and bunch of other secondary composers who worked in that milleu
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G) 67-76

By the time "The Wall" came out, classic rock was dead and commercial rock was the craze. Those classic rock bands started fading with a few lasting into the 80s but were nothing like they started.
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G) 67-76

By the time "The Wall" came out, classic rock was dead and commercial rock was the craze. Those classic rock bands started fading with a few lasting into the 80s but were nothing like they started.
i'd extend it back to 65..... highway 61, rubber soul, revolver.....thats classic rock
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post #10 of 13
I was going to go to 64 but that was more pop.
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I think we may be seeing the definitive hardening of "Classic Rock" right now in the concentration of play in national, corporate radio stations with local affiliates. One clear result is that Classic Rock is increasingly defined as period songs that entered the top-40. Occasionally, perhaps, we find a song that has no sure-fire top40 provenance, but gets rediscovered in a popular television advert or in a movie, and is then reintegrated into the subset of marketable classics. But the slightly-more-free era of Album-Oriented-Rock, in which Classics stations would play whole albums on occasion, and you could hear tracks from great albums that never charted--that seems to be gone. Now, for any great band or artist, the ultimate album is the "Best of" compilation of everything you'd ever want on your MP3 player, because it's everything you'd ever hear on the radio.

With YouTube and the digital distribution of new music, I think that most of the recording labels and marketers would confirm that the new paradigm is the heavy but transient sale of a load of singles that are 'current': like those sub-KTel compilations you see called _NOW!-Club Reaction 2009!_ With the exception of a very few albums that get promoted--the ones where Metalica or Celine Dionne complains that they're being pirate copied--younger generations simply aren't going to start out on Headfi being aware of the importance of singles being contextual in a complete album.
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I think we may be seeing the definitive hardening of "Classic Rock" right now in the concentration of play in national, corporate radio stations with local affiliates. One clear result is that Classic Rock is increasingly defined as period songs that entered the top-40.
From my perspective the definition of Classic Rock is album tracks which were never released as singles.................... Stairway To Heaven, Free Bird, Baba O'Riley, etc. It doesn't make a song non-classic rock if the song was a single, but classic rock basically to me means rock which was celebrated on FM radio and not AM radio..........If it were a Top 40 genre Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd would be minor players in Classic Rock and bands like America, Chicago and Bread would be major players in the genre. And the whole progressive rock scene would be completely avoided.
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To me, classic rock (or album rock) is a sound and playlist style rather than a specific period or being declared old enough to be classic. It would be perfectly fine by me if albums like The Allman Brothers Band "Hittn the Note" (2003) was called classic rock. I cringe though when GnR gets classic rock airplay.

One of my defining characteristics of a classic rock radio station is that they must have played the full 17 or 18 minute long version of In A Gadda Da Vida recently along with playing a full album side (or complete album) recently. If they haven't done that then they are no longer a classic rock radio station.
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