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post #301 of 343

Well I will be expecting your comprehensive review too! 

post #302 of 343
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I can already say that this past Wednesday the ES5 demo IEM had a more spacious soundstage than my ES3X, with a better out-of-head presentation and improved transparency.  I had to hold them against my ears for a good seal, and the bass was very good with a seal.  I'm looking forward to hearing a custom fitted set.

post #303 of 343
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I can already say that this past Wednesday the ES5 demo IEM had a more spacious soundstage than my ES3X, with a better out-of-head presentation and improved transparency.  I had to hold them against my ears for a good seal, and the bass was very good with a seal.  I'm looking forward to hearing a custom fitted set.

I would rate them against your JH13 Pro?
 

post #304 of 343
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I would rate them against your JH13 Pro?
 


Are you serious?  They were demo universal fit and can't really be compared in depth and completeness, plus I didn't think to pull out a JH13Pro while visiting the Westone offices.  That would be rude.  However, I think they will be competitive.


Edited by HeadphoneAddict - 6/13/10 at 3:46pm
post #305 of 343

It's a demo. It shouldn't have the same fit either and hard to come up with specifics and in depth information on a short demo (I'm assuming you didn't have much time with the ES5 demo). Eventually when you get them I'll be looking forward to your review whenever that happens but you probably are more excited about getting them.

post #306 of 343

stunning review pal...im only new here and has been extremely informative...i have learned alot just by reading it!!

post #307 of 343
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stunning review pal...im only new here and has been extremely informative...i have learned alot just by reading it!!


Thanks.  I'm working on my Westone ES5 review, and I think that it's a game changer.  All I can and will say right now, before the review is done, is that with the right amp and source I am enjoying them more than my other custom IEM.  It's not that any of the others do anything in particular wrong, but I just enjoy the presentation of the ES5 more.  I don't want to be answering questions that will be in my review, so please be patient.  It was the same way while I was working on this original review.

post #308 of 343

a game changer, eh? that's quite a statement! i briefly listened to the universal versions of the es5s at canjam vs my jh-13 customs and was duly impressed. the jhas sounded more neutral but the westones were quite enjoyable with that characteristic midrange emphasis that makes guitars and vocals stand out more. it'll be interesting to see what the final result of custom vs custom is. you indicate that the 5 is your favorite custom so far, and who knows, perhaps i'd concur if i heard both custom versions. but what seemed like a true game changer to me was the jh-3a. that is more than just a somewhat better sounding device. it will cause some head scratching and re-evaluation amongst manufacturers, i believe. it wouldn't surprise me if it garners attention in other, non-headphone, audio quarters too - it's that impressive. it may spark innovation in a number of corners of the sound reproduction industry (at least one could hope).

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...the westones were quite enjoyable with that characteristic midrange emphasis that makes guitars and vocals stand out more.


Dave, the ES5 certainly has strong mids - vocals are excellent - but for clarity, the ES5, like the ES3X before, is released as a "flat" IEM suitable for both performers and audiophiles. Unlike the ES3, it does not have an intentional performer's mid-boost.

 

Of course, there is no such thing as a truly flat headphone so comparisons are valid. IMHO the mids on the actual (custom) ES5s are excellent but not artificially forward at all.
 

post #310 of 343

(As the only other person that I have seen on here with a Gentle Giant avatar, I am in no way questioning your bona fides.    Mine, the original British release of Octopus, is somewhat obscure...)


Edited by cooperpwc - 8/28/10 at 7:05pm
post #311 of 343
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I'm saying game changer in the sense that JHA seemed to have topped the field with their JH13Pro, and almost everyone's a believer, but now there is something new that's come along to challenge that reign.  One cannot rest on their laurels in this field, and after I hear the JH3A I might find them to be the new pinnacle.  But, that would be a new king of the hill that costs almost twice as much as my ES5 that sound wonderful right out of my iPhone 4 and even better from a $129 uDAC-2.  Apples and oranges I say.

 

I so badly want to post my initial impressions, but then I'll be tempted to skip doing a full review.  I will try to get something posted as soon as I can, but I have many more sources and amps to try, and many more comparisons to do with a wider variety of music.

 

post #312 of 343
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(As the only other person that I have seen on here with a Gentle Giant avatar, I am in no way questioning your bona fides.    Mine, the original British release of Octopus, is somewhat obscure...)


Paul, you well know that GG rules. but since they are sadly now defunct i'd recommend you try and catch 3 Friends sometime, a band founded by some of GG's original members who plays GG's music. so far i've seem them 3 times in formal concerts (and more in informal gigs, but that's another story).

 

and back on topic, i hope to hear the es5s as a custom at some point , but in my brief listen i thought the jh-13s sounded were neutral and natural. both were highly engaging and it's hard to imagine someone being less than pleased with either. i also want to hear what happens with the es5s twag'd and balanced. i'm sure Larry will have more to say on this matter at some time (no rush Larry, we know you want to get it to your satisfaction  ).


Edited by daveDerek - 8/29/10 at 1:12am
post #313 of 343

with new flagship customs IEMs right now. somebody should do a review similar to this. for the sake of head-fi. what you think HPA? hehe. let us pressure all custom monitor manufacturers to provide a free sample to the reviewer. :-)

post #314 of 343
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with new flagship customs IEMs right now. somebody should do a review similar to this. for the sake of head-fi. what you think HPA? hehe. let us pressure all custom monitor manufacturers to provide a free sample to the reviewer. :-)





I would like to add the JH16 and UE18, but money is an issue if I'm only getting them for the review and not because I need or want them. Personally, I don't want more bass than the JH13, so the UE18 are more likely to get bought someday, since the JH16 mostly differ in the bass vs the 13's.
post #315 of 343
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Dave, the ES5 certainly has strong mids - vocals are excellent - but for clarity, the ES5, like the ES3X before, is released as a "flat" IEM suitable for both performers and audiophiles. Unlike the ES3, it does not have an intentional performer's mid-boost.


okay, that suggests comparing the ES5 to another flat reference IEM for performance, rather than to the ones tweaked for audiophiles. good thing larry is a true addict! ;-)

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