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post #256 of 343
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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post
Sonically, the UE11 are not an upgrade to the IE8, to my ears.
Since I had the IE8, could you please elaborate?
I thought a low-end like the JH4 is a slight upgrade to the top tier universals?
post #257 of 343
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Sonically, the UE11 are not an upgrade to the IE8, to my ears.
I find that they are both picky about what amp you pair them with. Just as I was blown away by the IE8/Amphora combo but not impressed with them on other amps, I was blown away by the UE11pro/WA6 combo (or Square Wave XL) more than I am with other amps.

I never did get a chance to compare the IE8/Amphora to UE11pro/WA6 directly, so I wont even try to comment on that. I will say that when I first heard the IE8/Amphora, I once forgot that I wasn't listening to my ES3X - they sounded completely different and completely better. And, with the UE11Pro on my WA6 (or Sq Wave XL) I find them to come very close to the other custom IEM on the same amp.
post #258 of 343
Wow, thanks for such a great review HeadphoneAddict.

Can you (or anyone else here) please comment on how microphonic the stock cables are with these units?

I have some Ety ER4's which are great, but I do not enjoy the "thud thud" noise when walking (even with the cables clipped to my shirt).

Thanks!
post #259 of 343
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Originally Posted by bgorman View Post
Wow, thanks for such a great review HeadphoneAddict.

Can you (or anyone else here) please comment on how microphonic the stock cables are with these units?

I have some Ety ER4's which are great, but I do not enjoy the "thud thud" noise when walking (even with the cables clipped to my shirt).

Thanks!
No microphonics for me, but I always have the cable running over my ears.
post #260 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
For those on a budget after blowing all their money on the UE 11Pro, I discovered that the new $99 Nuforce uDAC sounds even better with the UE 11Pro than the HiFiMan EF2, for almost half the price. A lot of it is due to the higher resolution DAC inside the uDAC vs the EF2 DAC, and it has no caps in the signal path and does not use opamps. So, there is great synergy there and you can read about it in my uDAC review (see public profile "about me").
All this time has passed, and I still haven't changed my opinions on these great IEM yet.

However, I want to add that there are two more DAC/amps that the UE11Pro sound really good with, being that the UE11Pro are more picky about their amp than other IEM. They are the CEntrance DACport 24/96 USB DAC/amp and the Nuforce HDP 24/96 USB/Optical and 24/192 Coax DAC/amp. Both have good synergy with the UE11Pro, and still work very well with a wide variety of other IEM and full-size headphones.
post #261 of 343
Hi Larry, I have thoughts on giving up portable amps. will JH13pro sound good through a ipod touch 3G hp out w/o amp?
post #262 of 343
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Hi Larry, I have thoughts on giving up portable amps. will JH13pro sound good through a ipod touch 3G hp out w/o amp?
It should - I find the 2G touch slightly more aggressive in the highs than my iPhone 3GS, but it wasn't bad or anything. I don't know what the 3G Touch sounds like, but I'd guess it would be okay.
post #263 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
It should - I find the 2G touch slightly more aggressive in the highs than my iPhone 3GS, but it wasn't bad or anything. I don't know what the 3G Touch sounds like, but I'd guess it would be okay.
Thanks Larry. hopefully it sounds like iphone 3GS.
post #264 of 343
If you want to push the last 20% out of your 13 (stock cable), using an amp and a quality dac is a must. There's an obvious improvement in dynamics and resolution. I experience it with my cowon D2 switching to my sig rig.
post #265 of 343
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Originally Posted by yossi126 View Post
If you want to push the last 20% out of your 13 (stock cable), using an amp and a quality dac is a must. There's an obvious improvement in dynamics and resolution. I experience it with my cowon D2 switching to my sig rig.
There is always a difference in requirements to "sound good" vs "sound best".

For "best sound" from all these custom IEM that is my Macbook 24/96 > Apogee mini-DAC optical > Woo WA6 with RCA 6DE7/Spohia 274B rectifier.
post #266 of 343
i'm wondering when we can expect a review of the new 3MAX from Sensaphonics. If it sounds as good as the JH-13's AND has a soft silicone then I would say it is a grand slam for them. Priced a little lower too.
post #267 of 343
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Originally Posted by freeride1685 View Post
i'm wondering when we can expect a review of the new 3MAX from Sensaphonics. If it sounds as good as the JH-13's AND has a soft silicone then I would say it is a grand slam for them. Priced a little lower too.
I don't know. I haven't read a lot of good things that would make me want to buy the Sensaphonics.
post #268 of 343
i have not been able to find any real world reviews, just press materials! if you have any links i would like to read through them...you know how it is...even if what you have is wonderful you like to know that there is not something else out there. reading a mediocre, or even a good review would be enough that i feel settled on my decision to purchase the 13's.

i made the big step today of scheduling an appointment with the audiologist. i didn't have to work hard to find a place to go, as the town i live in (Northampton, MA) is home to Clark School for the Deaf. they have services for everyone and it dawned on me when picking up my grandmother's hearing aids that i may as well go in and get some molds done there. they even set it up so i can come back and ensure proper fitment...pretty cool.
post #269 of 343
According to the Sensaphonics website, more drivers is better (which is why their new 3-driver offering is better than their 2-driver model) but not better (which is why their 3-driver offering beats "other designs, even those with more drivers" offered by UE and JHA). Basically, more drivers is better when they do it, but a marketing gimmick when it comes from the competition.

Their new 3MAX may be great, and I very much like the idea of a soft silicon casing, but their "we want it both ways" commercial blurb failed to convince me, as did their mention of their "own panel of touring artists and sound engineers" without names. As did, previously, their grand announcement that they were offering detachable cables, presenting it an incredible breakthrough for the whole industry, while they were only catching up with their direct competitors, years after the fact. Their detachable cables may be better (their nylon screw is certainly better than the old two-pins of UE and JHA), but detachable cables in general weren't a novel idea. So yeah, they may or may not have a great new product, but their marketing is... more irritating than average.

Oh, and they're "the reference standard for detailed, accurate in-ear audio." I guess they missed the fact that UE has had them beaten as the reference since at least the JH10. You can't be the reference when more than 80% of professionals choose your competitors.
post #270 of 343
i sympathize with the irritation of silly marketing ploys like that. the message has to be clear or else well informed potential buyers will get a diluted message, leading to frustration and mistrust.

that being said, i also agree that the soft silicone seems pretty cool. as i have never even had an acrylic custom i cant vouch for comfort or lack thereof, but it does make sense that directly in comparison the silicone would most likely be at least a bit more comfortable.

i wonder what changes would happen if one was to switch the guts of one of these harder customs into a soft shell like that. my thoughts are that the casing has a lot to do with the sound quality, and if speaker boxes and cone materials are any reference, then a harder shell could potentially lead to more of a focused sound and stronger bass.

who knows, though, on such a small scale with things like this, if the silicone is even "weaker" than acrylic as a structural material to construct with...
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