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post #196 of 343
Lol, Shigzeo.
post #197 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I know I haven't tried any Cowan S9, or D2 or anything else before. I like iPods because I can send music over by playlists from iTunes.
I can understand that on a personal level
But you reviewed AMP3. I have looked for comparisons of AMP3 to the Cowon and found none... Any chance of your listening to a Cowon S9? I still have about a week or 2 before Jerry Harvey sends me the JH13, They received my molds last Monday. The reason I am concerned is that a review was done with the UE11 and the cowon S9, D2, and O2 here, Listening and RMAA Tests, Cowon S9 (vs. D2, O2) - iAudiophile.net Forums I showed it to Jerry Harvey.

But Jerry wrote back and said I am to let him know if there is a hiss with the Cowon S9 and the JH13.

Since I have neither one here, all I can do is ask someone who has done a supper job of his IEMs to go a tiny step more, since the Cowons are so heavily used by audiophiles all over the world.
post #198 of 343
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Originally Posted by TungFree View Post
I can understand that on a personal level
But you reviewed AMP3. I have looked for comparisons of AMP3 to the Cowon and found none... Any chance of your listening to a Cowon S9? I still have about a week or 2 before Jerry Harvey sends me the JH13, They received my molds last Monday. The reason I am concerned is that a review was done with the UE11 and the cowon S9, D2, and O2 here, Listening and RMAA Tests, Cowon S9 (vs. D2, O2) - iAudiophile.net Forums I showed it to Jerry Harvey.

But Jerry wrote back and said I am to let him know if there is a hiss with the Cowon S9 and the JH13.

Since I have neither one here, all I can do is ask someone who has done a supper job of his IEMs to go a tiny step more, since the Cowons are so heavily used by audiophiles all over the world.
I tried the AMP3 because it also functions as a stand alone amplifier with analog input and I was begged by hundreds of people to try one and report back (okay, maybe not hundreds ). I have a 40GB iRiver with optical out that hasn't had new music added in months because it's a pain to have to manually drag files over to different directories, and make sure the files are compatible with it. I have the same issues with the AMP3 and likely wont be frequently updating it.

Also, I don't know anyone with an S9 to let me try, and I don't want to drop $199 on one right now.
post #199 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I tried the AMP3 because it also functions as a stand alone amplifier with analog input and I was begged by hundreds of people to try one and report back (okay, maybe not hundreds ). I have a 40GB iRiver with optical out that hasn't had new music added in months because it's a pain to have to manually drag files over to different directories, and make sure the files are compatible with it. I have the same issues with the AMP3 and likely wont be frequently updating it.

Also, I don't know anyone with an S9 to let me try, and I don't want to drop $199 on one right now.
The JH13 is arriving on 9/30/09, I do know people who use the Ipod Touch, Ipod Classic and Ipod Phone, but no one in Kona Hawaii, whom I know has a Cowon S9 or anyother Cowon Model, one friend has a Clip+ with whom I will be meeting after he gets his Ibaso Portable amp and I get my JH13 to compare his Altrasone he got and my HD800 and JH13.

So if anyone has a Cowon S9 and JH13 please give us a report if there is or is not a hiss. Because the Cowon sounds like what I am looking for other than the hiss and then if it has the hiss I will need an impedance of 40 Ohm adopter, and I have no clue where to get such an adopter. I searched for it online and met no success.

As to updating music The friend who is coming with the Clip+ said it was like moving files with a hard drive in a computer just drag and drop. I will see how it is doen when he comes. I am not sure I understand why the AMP3 and the other player are a problem that way since it seemed to me to be a plus to have such an option.

Is it not a just a drag and drop of a folder you prepare on your computer and move it over in one fell swoop?
post #200 of 343
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Originally Posted by TungFree View Post
As to updating music The friend who is coming with the Clip+ said it was like moving files with a hard drive in a computer just drag and drop. I will see how it is doen when he comes. I am not sure I understand why the AMP3 and the other player are a problem that way since it seemed to me to be a plus to have such an option.

Is it not a just a drag and drop of a folder you prepare on your computer and move it over in one fell swoop?
No, it's not. I have multiple copies of albums saved in different bit rates, and I create play lists to separate them when I play them back. But I have my Mac iTunes organize the folders by artist > album. But, I don't want to rename each version of the album with a different artist and album name so that they go into different folders. That's what playlists are for, so all the copies are in one place on the drive, but separate playlists.

So, if I drag a single album folder over to a small 12GB or 40GB DAP, I get a huge transfer with 2-3 copies of the album inside that takes time and space. Then I have to go into the receiving folder on the DAP and "cmd-click" certain files to remove either the 24/96 AIFF or ALAC version, 16/44 ALAC version or the 256-320K MP3 version, depending on which player it is.

Then when the drive is nearly full and it can't take these 500MB - 1GB sized folders, then I have to create the artist>album folders on the DAP and open the new folders, and then open the album folder on the mac, and drag just the few files I want to transfer. It really is time consuming and a pain in the butt.

So, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
post #201 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
No, it's not. I have multiple copies of albums saved in different bit rates, and I create play lists to separate them when I play them back. But I have my Mac iTunes organize the folders by artist > album. But, I don't want to rename each version of the album with a different artist and album name so that they go into different folders. That's what playlists are for, so all the copies are in one place on the drive, but separate playlists.

So, if I drag a single album folder over to a small 12GB or 40GB DAP, I get a huge transfer with 2-3 copies of the album inside that takes time and space. Then I have to go into the receiving folder on the DAP and "cmd-click" certain files to remove either the 24/96 AIFF or ALAC version, 16/44 ALAC version or the 256-320K MP3 version, depending on which player it is.

Then when the drive is nearly full and it can't take these 500MB - 1GB sized folders, then I have to create the artist>album folders on the DAP and open the new folders, and then open the album folder on the mac, and drag just the few files I want to transfer. It really is time consuming and a pain in the butt.

So, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
What you said above totally confused me, because I am new to play lists, and organizing my music to the extent you do.

Why is synchronizing better?.

Just before I sold my Zune 120 when I wanted to synchronize in order to add and subtract some files I recall it took some 3 -5 hours to do it and had to be done over night leaving the computer on. Drove me nuts that is why I got the Zune 120 because I used to have the 30 gig Zune, with the 120 I put most of my music on it and just kept charging the Zune 120, via USB and avoided synchronizing like a plague. because of the time it took to do it
post #202 of 343
I sent the friend whom I had I mentioned who is coming to visit me soon in my post above, your post. About how you would have to do the loading and unloading of songs via drag and drop and all the many steps you would need to do. His response below does not dispute you but ofers a different way you could easily do your needed tasks.

"He's using iTunes and doing things in an unnecessarily complicated way because iTunes is very limited. If he used foobar2000 he wouldn't have those issues to deal with. Also, what he's saying is totally irrelevant to your question because it's up to the user what files or folders they drag and drop..."
post #203 of 343
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Originally Posted by TungFree View Post
I sent the friend whom I had I mentioned who is coming to visit me soon in my post above, your post. About how you would have to do the loading and unloading of songs via drag and drop and all the many steps you would need to do. His response below does not dispute you but ofers a different way you could easily do your needed tasks.

"He's using iTunes and doing things in an unnecessarily complicated way because iTunes is very limited. If he used foobar2000 he wouldn't have those issues to deal with. Also, what he's saying is totally irrelevant to your question because it's up to the user what files or folders they drag and drop..."
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Larry basically said "I like the way iTunes does things. I have my folders organized the way I like, and iTunes synchronizes my playlists and transfers them for me". Are you insisting that he shouldn't like iTunes? Or that you'd like him to organize his files some other way? It's really up to him.
post #204 of 343
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Originally Posted by TungFree View Post
What you said above totally confused me, because I am new to play lists, and organizing my music to the extent you do.

Why is synchronizing better?.

Just before I sold my Zune 120 when I wanted to synchronize in order to add and subtract some files I recall it took some 3 -5 hours to do it and had to be done over night leaving the computer on. Drove me nuts that is why I got the Zune 120 because I used to have the 30 gig Zune, with the 120 I put most of my music on it and just kept charging the Zune 120, via USB and avoided synchronizing like a plague. because of the time it took to do it
Syncing my iPod on my Mac doesn't take nearly that much time, and not everything is replaced each time. The whole topic is a waste of time, I have my way and you have yours.
post #205 of 343
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Syncing my iPod on my Mac doesn't take nearly that much time, and not everything is replaced each time. The whole topic is a waste of time, I have my way and you have yours.
As I said I do not have a way, It is my friend who has over 10,000 albums and he has been at entering metadata into his albums as he goes and then foobar 2000 as he says controls it for him. The questions I had, had nothing to do with Itunes or Foobar 2000, they had to do with Cowon S9 and JH 13. You brought up how you do it all inn Itunes and it confused me since I am new to organizing my music.

So I asked my friend to translate what you had said. He simply shows you another way you can do what you do and insists that ant Dap with drag and drop is the best to have.

If you look again please in my post before this one, I put his comment in quotes.

I came to this thread to learn what equipment to purchase. Your fine review pushed me over to purchase JH13s.
I had formerly owned a Zune and Sure 530 and sold them because they had no bass to my ears, only to discover that then Zune had Bass roll off - a trem I had just learned after I had sold it.

Now because of your review of the AMP3 and because of the horrid way Cowon treats its customers' problems I ordered the AMP3

So I am set and done with my purchases and I thank you for your efforts in those decisions.

But I do get a feeling that both you and the former commenting person were trying to put on me some kind of desire to argue as if I had a way and was trying to sway you to it. When it was my friend's way and I have a different experience with the Zune than you have with your Ipod. But my experience was such that I am glad to run from syncronization to the drag and drop.

Since I will have my JH13 today this afternoon and my AMP3 2 will ship on the 5th o I will have them my the 11th I will learn then first hand the advantages of drag and drop.

What my friend Mike does is put the time in entering the metadata through which Foobar 2000 then easily manipulates the playlists via its metadata. Which the Itunes may not be able to do so.

The aim of your review is to help others make the best decision. I beleive my friend mike had the same aim for me and you. To give you another way of doing it if you so choose or keep yours. For me he showed me that I can forget about needing 160 gigs to sore near all my nusic on an Ipod classic and then play it in shuffle or by artists albums, and instead purchase a much smaller capacity player and drag and drop quickly the artists albums I wish to listen to each week or avery few days.

I am greatful to you for helping me get the AMP3 since I had never heard of it till I read your review and the JH 13 where you did an incredible and compelling service to the community. But I feel a bit dismissed by you and the other commenting person as if I was here to argue. And so instead I am also thanking Mike my friend for his input because your review and his explanation is what made me place the order for the AMP3.

Aloha!!!
post #206 of 343
sound advice larry. it is annoying to hear yet again what itunes cannot do from people who don't use it. i was a bloody wizard with foobar2000, but when i got off my high horse, i found that itunes (even years ago) was vastly superior to simply drag and drop to any player, including apple's.

at the same time, if you keep the same files on the other device (clip or d2 or something) and in windows (remember tung that foobar2000 is windows only, something that some people don't use) use foobar to open up only in the directory of the clip or d2, as long as that player can handle it (the d2 cannot), you can organise the metadata of the files, reboot the device and hope it works. it works with some, with others it does not.

but comparing a clip with even 8gb of memory to a zune 120 is unfair. of course organising thousands of files versus hundreds is going to take much, much longer.

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
No, it's not. I have multiple copies of albums saved in different bit rates, and I create play lists to separate them when I play them back. But I have my Mac iTunes organize the folders by artist > album. But, I don't want to rename each version of the album with a different artist and album name so that they go into different folders. That's what playlists are for, so all the copies are in one place on the drive, but separate playlists.

So, if I drag a single album folder over to a small 12GB or 40GB DAP, I get a huge transfer with 2-3 copies of the album inside that takes time and space. Then I have to go into the receiving folder on the DAP and "cmd-click" certain files to remove either the 24/96 AIFF or ALAC version, 16/44 ALAC version or the 256-320K MP3 version, depending on which player it is.

Then when the drive is nearly full and it can't take these 500MB - 1GB sized folders, then I have to create the artist>album folders on the DAP and open the new folders, and then open the album folder on the mac, and drag just the few files I want to transfer. It really is time consuming and a pain in the butt.

So, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
post #207 of 343
this most recent of conversations are very compelling, indeed. I am traditionally from the forum DIY Mobile Audio - Technical, Advanced & Informative, but as I spent most of my time taking home audio or pro audio components and applying them in car audio systems i eventually felt the need to redirect my hobby!

that being said, I have known that for a very long time i would never ever break free from the notion that Boston Acoustics and Infinity was the best manufacturer in the whole entire world in regards to SQ.

That being said, I still think they top the car audio market, but as we know from our twisted hobby, car audio is no hobby to make a name in!

I am so much happier trying my VERY best to integrate home and pro audio components into cars that I may just start my own company in order to do so.

(nobody get any ideas now.)
post #208 of 343
freeride: if those be dj1pro around your neck, nice phones
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Originally Posted by TungFree View Post
As I said I do not have a way, It is my friend who has over 10,000 albums and he has been at entering metadata into his albums as he goes and then foobar 2000 as he says controls it for him. The questions I had, had nothing to do with Itunes or Foobar 2000, they had to do with Cowon S9 and JH 13. You brought up how you do it all inn Itunes and it confused me since I am new to organizing my music.

So I asked my friend to translate what you had said. He simply shows you another way you can do what you do and insists that ant Dap with drag and drop is the best to have.

If you look again please in my post before this one, I put his comment in quotes.

I came to this thread to learn what equipment to purchase. Your fine review pushed me over to purchase JH13s.
I had formerly owned a Zune and Sure 530 and sold them because they had no bass to my ears, only to discover that then Zune had Bass roll off - a trem I had just learned after I had sold it.

Now because of your review of the AMP3 and because of the horrid way Cowon treats its customers' problems I ordered the AMP3

So I am set and done with my purchases and I thank you for your efforts in those decisions.

But I do get a feeling that both you and the former commenting person were trying to put on me some kind of desire to argue as if I had a way and was trying to sway you to it. When it was my friend's way and I have a different experience with the Zune than you have with your Ipod. But my experience was such that I am glad to run from syncronization to the drag and drop.

Since I will have my JH13 today this afternoon and my AMP3 2 will ship on the 5th o I will have them my the 11th I will learn then first hand the advantages of drag and drop.

What my friend Mike does is put the time in entering the metadata through which Foobar 2000 then easily manipulates the playlists via its metadata. Which the Itunes may not be able to do so.

The aim of your review is to help others make the best decision. I beleive my friend mike had the same aim for me and you. To give you another way of doing it if you so choose or keep yours. For me he showed me that I can forget about needing 160 gigs to sore near all my nusic on an Ipod classic and then play it in shuffle or by artists albums, and instead purchase a much smaller capacity player and drag and drop quickly the artists albums I wish to listen to each week or avery few days.

I am greatful to you for helping me get the AMP3 since I had never heard of it till I read your review and the JH 13 where you did an incredible and compelling service to the community. But I feel a bit dismissed by you and the other commenting person as if I was here to argue. And so instead I am also thanking Mike my friend for his input because your review and his explanation is what made me place the order for the AMP3.

Aloha!!!
I'm not trying to be adversarial but rather was trying to get back on topic (flagship custom IEM not music syncing) - I explained why iTunes sync works better for me http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/r...ml#post6048241

I'll try to be more clear. I use a Mac - I hate PC. My iTunes library is 600GB with 15,215 items! All the files need to be organized into folders by category because I don't want all my music mixed up in one folder. When I import a CD I create a new playlist at the time, with the artist and album name in the title, and whether it is lossless or not.

So, in my iTunes music folder I'll have a long list of folders named after the artists, and inside those folders are a sub-folder for each album. If I open up a folder named "Eva Cassidy" inside there are 6 folders, one for each album. I pick "Live at Blues Alley" and open that, and inside there are 26 songs - 13 are the 256K MP3 version to fit on my Nano, and 13 are the Apple Lossless version for my iMod and Apple TV.

If I want to listen to Eva Cassidy on the AMP3 or iRiver I have to mount the MP3 player on my desktop, create a new folder named "Eva Cassidy" on the MP3 player, then create a new folder inside that named "Live at Blues Alley" and open that, and then I have to go to the original folder and click on the 13 files I want on the MP3 player (MP3 for AMP3, or lossless for iRiver) and then drag the songs into the new album folder. Then I have to do that again, and again, and again, until the MP3 player is full. If I simply drag the album folders over it copies all 26 files from the folder, which means two copies of Live at Blues Alley - one low bit rate version and one lossless version - which wastes disk space and time copying. With the extra copies, on the amp3 I have to go in and delete the lossless files because it can't play those. On the iRiver I would delete the low bit rate ones because they are redundant when the iRiver can play the lossless files.

With iTunes syncing to my iPod video, I select the "Eva Cassidy - Live at Blues Alley ALAC" playlist and click on the Sync button. Done.
post #210 of 343
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freeride: if those be dj1pro around your neck, nice phones
haha i wish...no, just a pair of technics rp-dh1200 that i sold awhile back with some dj equipment. cool looking phones and i could run them over with a truck but they pale in comparison to the setup i run now.
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