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post #5056 of 8538

Regarding warm up time and practicalities, the BHSE sounds great after 1 hour, but subtly better after 4 (the PHs seem to need less warm up time than stock, but I wouldn't swear to that).

 

And it does get quite warm, so all in all it's not the amp to leave on for all the time.

 

In my experience, most components, SS or tube, subtly benefit from an extended warm up period, so this is not unique to the BHSE.

 

All else being equal, I'd prefer a SS amp for fit-and-forget peace of mind. But the only serious contender at the time (LL1) was simply not in the same class as the BHSE for me. I've read that the LL2 is better than LL1, but haven't heard it.

post #5057 of 8538
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Originally Posted by Scruffy7974 View Post

What an interesting question. I know that David1961, does not leave his BHSE on.
 

 

I don't leave it on when I'm not in, nor do I leave it on overnight, but when I'm in and I know I'm going to listen to it which is most days, I leave it on for hours. The longest it's been on for is 9 hours, and in that time it worked perfectly.

post #5058 of 8538
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post

 

I think it matters, especially when you can hear the difference the source has with the BHSE.

 

I would also imagine the wrong source would give someone the impression there's nothing special about the BHSE either.

 

My guess Ed, is you've never used an iPod with your 009 / BHSE, because if you had, you'd probably be thinking just how special the BHSE is, which IMO it is.

I've only tried my iPod with the BHSE twice, once when I took my 009 / BHSE to the head-fi meeting, and sometime ago when I wanted to compare the difference in SQ to the K-01.

Because I've never tried the iPod while using the PH tubes, today I decided to do another comparison between my iPod and K-01.

I only listened to one of my albums which was " The Songs Of Distant Earth " by Mike Oldfield.

Obviously the SQ while using the K-01 was a different level, there was much more detail, better separation and openness with a lot more authority, however when using the iPod the SQ was still very good, I did have to turn the BHSE's volume up quite a bit when using the iPod, but I think those that was to try an iPod with the BHSE would probably think the same as me.

 

 

Here are a couple of photos, one with my iPod  [ my Pico Slim is under the iPod ] and cable I used, the other with just the cable which I got from AOL Audio.

 

 

post #5059 of 8538
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post
 

@astrostar, there are only 3 things guaranteed in life: death, taxes and Internet Forum Confusion (IFC). The majority of posters here prefer the009s over the 007s, some say "it depends", and some prefer the 007s irrespective of price. The latter include people I  pay close attention to, such as spritzer and ASR (I don't always agree with them, but do always pay attention). The one thing that you can be sure of, is that the moment you commit to combination ABC, there will immediately be a dozen posts saying XYZ is better. But that's ok because ABC and XYZ don't change, it's the IFC that's changing.

 

In your particular case, you seem to be already happy with the 007 sound signature. So going for the BHSE will just make that better.

If you go for the 009s, you'll get a different (more forward) sound signature - which you possibly will love, of maybe not.

 

The BHSE option will be more expensive, but you also get a piece of excellence that will give you immense p

 

I was broadly in your position a couple of years ago. I had the 007 Mk1 with SRM-007t mk1, and I liked that slightly dark sound signature (I thought of it as "natural" rather than "dark"). I procrastinated for ages over both the BHSE and the 009s. The route I eventually chose is the route I still recommend:

 

  1. Get the BHSE. Enjoy it with your 007s for a while without changing anything
  2. Don't wait too long before getting the PHs
  3. If you agree you that the BHSE/PH combination is here to stay, then get the herbie tube dampers on trial (more on that another time)
  4. At this point, you may feel you never need to go further
  5. One day, you may get the opportunity to try the 009s in the above combination. I'm still hoping that there will be a 009 mk2 coming out that ALL headfiers agree are better than the 007s. This may never happen, but in the meantime I don't feel I'm missing out much

 

 

With Julian [ astrostar59 ] having the 007mk2's, I'm not sure the PH tubes would be the right tubes to get.

While I haven't heard the 007mk1's with my BHSE while using PH tubes, I did when I was using the SED tubes, to which at the same time I heard my 009's, and some songs sounded better with the 007mk1's and vice versa, however, the other day when Paul visited, he brought his 007mk2's and with the PH tubes being used with my BHSE, I thought none of the songs I listened to with his 007mk2's sounded better than the 009's, to me not even close.

 

I've said in one of my posts, that the 007mk2's with the BHSE while using PH tubes, sounded similar to the 007mk1 / SRM-007t I once had, and because I didn't rate the Stax combo, I didn't hesitate in using them both as part exchange for the K-01.

 

Obviously it's all down to personal preference, I like as much detail and transparency as possible, whereas I believe Julian likes SQ on the darker side, so because I think the PH tubes might make his 007mk2's sound darker, they might be the tubes to get.

 

P.S. To me the 009 / BHSE using PH tubes, sound a lot better than the 007mk1 / BHSE using SED tubes.

post #5060 of 8538
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post
 

 

My guess Ed, is you've never used an iPod with your 009 / BHSE, because if you had, you'd probably be thinking just how special the BHSE is, which IMO it is.

I've only tried my iPod with the BHSE twice, once when I took my 009 / BHSE to the head-fi meeting, and sometime ago when I wanted to compare the difference in SQ to the K-01.

Because I've never tried the iPod while using the PH tubes, today I decided to do another comparison between my iPod and K-01.

I only listened to one of my albums which was " The Songs Of Distant Earth " by Mike Oldfield.

Obviously the SQ while using the K-01 was a different level, there was much more detail, better separation and openness with a lot more authority, however when using the iPod the SQ was still very good, I did have to turn the BHSE's volume up quite a bit when using the iPod, but I think those that was to try an iPod with the BHSE would probably think the same as me.

 

 

Here are a couple of photos, one with my iPod  [ my Pico Slim is under the iPod ] and cable I used, the other with just the cable which I got from AOL Audio.

 

 

How about I send you my Oppo BDP-95 (read the reviews how good it's suppose to be), and you send me your K-01 for a couple months and then tell me if the source makes a difference...

post #5061 of 8538
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post
 

How about I send you my Oppo BDP-95 (read the reviews how good it's suppose to be), and you send me your K-01 for a couple months and then tell me if the source makes a difference...

 

Obviously using the K-01 with the 009 / BHSE IMO takes SQ to a completely different level, but the iPod needs to be used with the 009 / BHSE before any comments can be made.

No one should take my word for it, but when Julian and Paddy visit, I'll make sure they hear some songs while using my iPod with the 009 / BHSE, and if they're not impressed,  I'll apologise for my comments. 

post #5062 of 8538
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post
 

 

Obviously using the K-01 with the 009 / BHSE IMO takes SQ to a completely different level, but the iPod needs to be used with the 009 / BHSE before any comments can be made.

No one should take my word for it, but when Julian and Paddy visit, I'll make sure they hear some songs while using my iPod with the 009 / BHSE, and if they're not impressed,  I'll apologise for my comments. 


Your iPod probably does sound pretty good for a couple of songs, but your comment was that the BHSE doesn't need a good source to sound amazing.

 

So use your iPod for 2 months and see if it still sounds amazing. It's the same thing as your tubes. Put the stock tubes back in for awhile. You even mentioned how you were thinking of selling your SR-009 because you weren't happy - and I'm sure that wasn't your initial reaction when you first got your BHSE or switched the stock tubes out for the SED's.

 

Yes, for 5-10 minutes some things do sound amazing, but can it pass the test of time?

 

So for me, that's why I'm saying source matters (especially if you want to get the most out of BHSE and SR-009). I just keep reading many comments that you don't need a good amp and source to feed the SR-009 and I don't think that's really true (the better the amp and source the better they scale).

post #5063 of 8538

Interesting replies guys. Many thanks. It's almost like, the more I read and analyse, deep think, the more more messed up I become.

It is because music is a passion right? An emotional connection, thus an emotional purchase. Lets face it, it's not like buying a dozen eggs

at the supermarket. And 5,800 US is not small change buying blind right?

 

And because there are so many variables, front end types and specs, amp and phone combinations, plus personal preferences and sensitivity

to treble lift. Also I guess many are CD or PC based, but some may be using vinyl rigs. Vinyl still for me is what hooked me to this hobby in the first place

and on the whole I still think a great vinyl front end sounds more liveable than digital. I say liveable, not accurate. Modern DACs and particularly none over

sampling seem to be closer though IMO). Maybe tubes in the mix make it more liveable as well. Bung most tube amps on the test bench and they will probably

not do as well as a Sansui amp! But we know what they sound like. Any distortion or artifacts are friendly, not edgy and cold / irritating. Everyone loves the sound

of a guitar through a Marshal amp.

 

I think TheAttorney has nailed it. Get the amazing BHSE, use it with the 007s and then see. I am happy with the warm / dark signature of my 007s, it seems to fit

my musical tastes rather nicely. I actually think the 007 is a fuller and beefier version of my older Lambda Nova Signatures which I had for 20 years (3 sets).

 

Possibly the 009s is a break away model, that follows a new path? It no doubt is the best headphone in the world, but it doesn't mean the 007 isn't still making

great music.

 

And live with the tube thing, and it's inconvieniances. It just sound better, it well get used more. I almost stopped switching on my Solid State speaker system,

even though it cost as much as my current tube amps.

 

Lets face it, on the Stax thread and most on this thread, we are all addicts, and there is no rehab, Stax has changed our lives somewhat.

post #5064 of 8538

Personally I have never had much success with the new chinese or russian EL34's. To me they sound rather bright and clinical when new but the may improve with use, but I have never been able to stand them long enough to find out. Manufacturers use these as they are readily available and not too expensive.

Vintage Mullard Xf2's are my preference as they give the transparent sound quality with silky treble. The build quality and materials used are far superior to their modern counterparts. 

 

You also need to bear in mind when comparing the 007 Mk1's/MkII's that there were slightly different variants produced which do sound different. Also Stax used different drivers, pads and loading in the MKII's which does change the sound somewhat. I believe some small modifications to the MKII like blocking the port and getting a good fit to the head will improve the overall sound. 

 

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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post
 

 

With Julian [ astrostar59 ] having the 007mk2's, I'm not sure the PH tubes would be the right tubes to get.

While I haven't heard the 007mk1's with my BHSE while using PH tubes, I did when I was using the SED tubes, to which at the same time I heard my 009's, and some songs sounded better with the 007mk1's and vice versa, however, the other day when Paul visited, he brought his 007mk2's and with the PH tubes being used with my BHSE, I thought none of the songs I listened to with his 007mk2's sounded better than the 009's, to me not even close.

 

I've said in one of my posts, that the 007mk2's with the BHSE while using PH tubes, sounded similar to the 007mk1 / SRM-007t I once had, and because I didn't rate the Stax combo, I didn't hesitate in using them both as part exchange for the K-01.

 

Obviously it's all down to personal preference, I like as much detail and transparency as possible, whereas I believe Julian likes SQ on the darker side, so because I think the PH tubes might make his 007mk2's sound darker, they might be the tubes to get.

 

P.S. To me the 009 / BHSE using PH tubes, sound a lot better than the 007mk1 / BHSE using SED tubes.


Edited by complin - 4/26/14 at 12:18pm
post #5065 of 8538

Easy folks ;), don't get hung up on on absolute statements.

 

For what it is, the I-pod delivers an amazing sound quality and the value for money and portable convenience factor are hard to beat. For certain types of music in a blind test, people will have a hard time distinguishing between 320k mp3 and high quality audio files. For others mp3 will go down the drain without a doubt. The more complex a sound source is, the more obvious the compression. For me any brushed cymbal is an easy tell on mp3. My car audio using mp3 is clearly showing the difference. When I first heard mp3 files from a burned CD, I thought the tweeter was broken :D.

 

If a set up sounds great, it lets your hear the sound of the original performance, therefore the source needs to be top notch. The amp does a good job if it just amplifies the signal to drive the speakers in a controlled and most accurate way possible, without adding any coloration. In an ideal case the amp itself does not have a sound, it's the famous "wire with gain".

 

Enjoy the music :beerchug:.


Edited by icebear - 4/26/14 at 12:26pm
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Yes I have been a habitual Stax user for for over 40 years and i've found rehab just doesn't work :evil: In fact I have gone on to use other addictive things like the Sennheiser Orpheus, Jecklin Float and Koss ESP 950 so there is no hope!

 

Personally I wouldn't characterise the 007 MkI as warm and dark but natural. People often dismiss it as it doesn't have that immediate wow factor but grows on you as you as you realise just how great a transducer it is if driven properly.

  

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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post
 

 I am happy with the warm / dark signature of my 007s, it seems to fit

my musical tastes rather nicely. I actually think the 007 is a fuller and beefier version of my older Lambda Nova Signatures which I had for 20 years (3 sets).

 

 

Lets face it, on the Stax thread and most on this thread, we are all addicts, and there is no rehab, Stax has changed our lives somewhat.

post #5067 of 8538
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post


Your iPod probably does sound pretty good for a couple of songs, but your comment was that the BHSE doesn't need a good source to sound amazing.

 

So use your iPod for 2 months and see if it still sounds amazing. It's the same thing as your tubes. Put the stock tubes back in for awhile. You even mentioned how you were thinking of selling your SR-009 because you weren't happy - and I'm sure that wasn't your initial reaction when you first got your BHSE or switched the stock tubes out for the SED's.

 

Yes, for 5-10 minutes some things do sound amazing, but can it pass the test of time?

 

So for me, that's why I'm saying source matters (especially if you want to get the most out of BHSE and SR-009). I just keep reading many comments that you don't need a good amp and source to feed the SR-009 and I don't think that's really true (the better the amp and source the better they scale).

 

Today when I listened to my Mike Oldfield album, I listened to every song on that album [ apart from the last song which I'm not that keen on ],  first using the iPod then the K-01.

I'm not saying the 009 / BHSE doesn't sound better when used with a good source, because it does, the point I'm trying to make is the 009 / BHSE doesn't sound bad when used with a lesser source.

 

Yes I was going to sell my 009's while using the stock mullard's, and I was never completely happy with them while using the SED's, but I was using my K-01 while using both tubes so what does that say.

Even David [ britneedadvice ] wasn't that impressed with he heard my 009 / BHSE / K-01, whereas Paul [ Scruffy7974 ] was, but when David heard that set up the SED tubes were being used, but with Paul it was the PH's.

 

I've now only used my iPod with my 009 /BHSE three times, so the only times I'll use it again with those two is when Julian and Paddy visit.

Also, the only time I'll use the stock mullard tubes again is when Julian listens to my 009 / BHSE, he'll also get to hear the PH's.

post #5068 of 8538


I use a Teac and a Onkyo digital-dockingstation to read digital data form my iPod, iphone or ipad..
Just to find out of there is a big difference in sound comparing to the Mac.

As i expected there is, even when the musicdata is exactly the same.
Reason could be cables and the coax input I have to use connecting the doc with my esoteric dac.

--The Mac use asynchron USB and has the advantage to use highres-musicdata.
--The ipad has the advantage to be quiet while working and is a real bitperfect ssdplayer, maybe one of the best you can get.

Having the headphonerig next to my hearingspot, i really enjoy a quiet environment.
Edited by karlgerman - 4/27/14 at 2:02am
post #5069 of 8538
I'm mentioning the 009 / BHSE ( IMO ) still sounds amazing when using an iPod, because like said by another head-fier, not everyone can afford the likes of a K-01, but I'm sure most if not all can an iPod.

Now I've had my say about using an iPod with my 009 / BHSE, so I'll leave it at that.
post #5070 of 8538

For the SR009 or SR007 you need the right amp and for a lot of headphone it's the same fight, you need to paired him with the right amp.

I owned 6 months ago a SR007MKI and try it with the SRM007,SRM600LTD and KGSS. I didn't like it too dark, not enough air, suffocating sound. I decided to sell it fastly.

 

Yesterday a guy who wants to try my SR009 take it SR007MKII and his SRM007t amp. We decided to try the SR007 on my Woo WEE with WOO WA5 and it's a different headphone. There is more air, less dark, very dark and great soundstage and I prefered it to the SR009. So we have switched to the SRM007 and I found the same SR007 congestionned as I test 6 months ago, the SR009 sounds so better on the SRM007 more musical and meatier.


Edited by Hun7er - 4/26/14 at 10:30pm
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