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post #4636 of 5869
Because I'm taking Golfnutz advice, this morning I've taken the EL34PH's out of my BHSE, and put the SED's back in, then after I've heard the BHSE with those tubes, I'm putting the PH's back in.
Since putting the SED's in, I haven't listened to my BHSE yet, but when I do I'm only listening to one album which again is Peter Gabriel's " So ".
I'm wanting to mainly hear " Sledge Hammer " and " Big Time ", but as well as my K-01, I'm also going to use my iPod as source with the SED's, I'll then do the same with the PH's, then post my findings.
However, I'm going to change the tubes several times and each time I do, I'm still going to use both sources, so my findings will probably take me a few day's.
Obviously the best way to do this would be over a long period of time, but since hearing my BHSE with the PH's, I'm only wanting to use my BHSE with those tubes.
post #4637 of 5869
I listened to my BHSE yesterday, first using the SED tubes, then the PH's, I also used both my iPod and K-01.
I only listened to one album which was "So" because I wanted to hear what SledgeHammer and Big Time would sound like.
First I used my iPod, and when I came to those two songs using the SED's, there was still a shrilling in the highs, but when using the K-01, that shrilling was more so, but that's probably because the K-01 ( IMO ) takes the detail and transparency to a much higher level.
I then took out the SED's and replaced them with the PH's, and using my iPod again first, when I came to hearing SH and BT, there was no discomfort, and to say I was using only an iPod, the SQ was very good.
Then it came to using the K-01, and before, when using the SED's, I couldn't listen to those two songs even at my normal listening volume, but with the PH's I was turning the volume up.
Don't ask me how this is happening, but with the PH's I'm getting better everything but without any harshness. The only problem is, because I'm wanting to increase the volume when using the PH's, I might end up damaging my hearing.

Since listening to Peter Gabriel's " So " album , I've been listening to several different albums that's on my MacMini via the K-01's DAC, and I did say I was going to try my BHSE with both the PH's and SED's a few times, but I'm only going to be using the PH's from now on.

P.S. The difference in SQ while using the PH's, is only what I and some other head-fiers have heard, IMO that doesn't mean everyone will hear a difference.
post #4638 of 5869
Hey David thanks for the impressions. I'm using the SED's on my KGBH but have been curious about the ph's. From your description it sounds like the ph's might be rolling the high freqs off to make your test tracks more listenable on the 009, do you feel that's the case?
post #4639 of 5869
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Originally Posted by dailydoseofdaly View Post

Hey David thanks for the impressions. I'm using the SED's on my KGBH but have been curious about the ph's. From your description it sounds like the ph's might be rolling the high freqs off to make your test tracks more listenable on the 009, do you feel that's the case?

Hi,
That's probably the case with the PH's because while using the SED's, it was the highs that sounded shrilling, everything else sounded pretty impressive though, but with the PH's I didn't hear any shrilling in the highs, but what I did hear was quite amazing.
As I've said though, I'm not very good at describing SQ, but even if I was, a description can only make someone imagine, that someone has to listen to whatever audio equipment themselves to get a true picture.

Like today, I've been comparing my LCD-XC / GS-Xmk2 to my 009 / BHSE ( with the PH's ) , and while the XC's are excellent sounding headphones, to me they sounded muffled compared to my 009's.
When listening to those two combos, I only listened to two of my albums which were, " The Best of R.E.M. in time 1988 - 2003 " , and Jean Michel Jarre's " Magnetic Fields ".
post #4640 of 5869
David, you have been comparing the two sets of tubes with an album that is known to have pronounced treble. Have you found that the Psvane's have had any negative affects on music with a more moderate treble?
post #4641 of 5869
No, I've been listening to several of the albums I have today, and they all sounded better using the PH's. The most comfortable songs I listen to are by Pink Floyd, in fact I've actually just been listening to one of their albums and it was a wonderful musical experience.
I'm not saying the music sounded bad from using the SED's, because it didn't, ( apart from just certain songs ) it's just the PH's sound like they've taken the edge away, but still retaining everything else and some.
Like with most post written on head-fi though, the only way to know if someone's being honest, or just writing hype, is to audition.
post #4642 of 5869
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

No, I've been listening to several of the albums I have today, and they all sounded better using the PH's. The most comfortable songs I listen to are by Pink Floyd, in fact I've actually just been listening to one of their albums and it was a wonderful musical experience.
I'm not saying the music sounded bad from using the SED's, because it didn't, ( apart from just certain songs ) it's just the PH's sound like they've taken the edge away, but still retaining everything else and some.
Like with most post written on head-fi though, the only way to know if someone's being honest, or just writing hype, is to audition.
Thanks David, I will take your advice wink.gif
post #4643 of 5869
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

I'm not saying the music sounded bad from using the SED's, because it didn't, ( apart from just certain songs ).

I correct myself, those certain songs didn't sound bad from using the SED's, I just felt the highs were too uncomfortable.
post #4644 of 5869

There's a risk of PH overload on this thread, but for any budding BHSE owner, the rewards are worth it IMO, so I'm going to add one more post:

 

Having received my 2nd set of PH's, this time from GF, I've gained some more insight into the confusing Psvane Quality Control situation. So for anyone thinking about ordering a set, here is The Attorney's simple guide:

 

  • All tube orders from GF go via their sister website psvanetube.com
  • The actual financial transaction and shipping is handled by GF's logistics partner Audio4less in Hong Kong
  • The tubes are shipped direct from the Psvane factory in China
  • I've not seen any evidence that the design of the PH's has changed since they started production last spring. The pins are still a tight fit, the plate current is still a weedy 32ma and they still rattle when tapped
  • Although ordered just a couple of weeks ago, my new set was factory test date stamped "20130722", just 6 weeks after the date stamp of my first set ordered last summer
  • Rachel assures me that this is ok - it was a different batch and the GF tubes do get the more careful testing and matching (at the factory) - just not necessarily from any particular production period. GF seems like a reasonable company, so I'm accepting Rachel's word at this point

 

At just a few hours into the burn-in phase, my new set of PH's are showing a good dose of the magic I remember, and they are already well ahead of the Treasures and JJ's on sound quality, so The Attorney is happy enough, despite a slight disappointment that there's been no apparent tweaks to the PH design.

post #4645 of 5869

Of course listening to various tube brands might result in pretty different impressions about their sonic qualities but does anyone else think it's a little beside the point when mp3 files are used as source ;-)). just my $0.02.

post #4646 of 5869
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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

Of course listening to various tube brands might result in pretty different impressions about their sonic qualities but does anyone else think it's a little beside the point when mp3 files are used as source ;-)). just my $0.02.

I'm not sure whether you're referring to the post I wrote, but if so not only did I use my iPod as source, but also my Esoteric K-01, to which I was using a SACD.
post #4647 of 5869
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post


I'm not sure whether you're referring to the post I wrote, but if so not only did I use my iPod as source, but also my Esoteric K-01, to which I was using a SACD.


yes indeed. I do see the enormous convenience of the I-pod but as a source for high end evaluation I think, it's not suitable, even more so in case you have a K-01 as an alternative.

post #4648 of 5869
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Originally Posted by icebear View Post



yes indeed. I do see the enormous convenience of the I-pod but as a source for high end evaluation I think, it's not suitable, even more so in case you have a K-01 as an alternative.

Obviously I use my K-01 when listening to my 009 / BHSE and LCD-XC / GS-Xmk2, and my iPod is mainly used with my Pico Slim and UM Miracles, but I just wanted to try the iPod out to see if I could hear any difference when comparing the SED's and PH's, and I could.
With your thoughts on an iPod being used with a combo such as the 009 / BHSE, I'm assuming you've tried an iPod with that combo and didn't like the SQ, I'm I right in that assumption ?
post #4649 of 5869

Hi David,

 

no, my better half is using all things apple ...

I am old fashioned spinning silver discs on a 20 year old Krell CD DSP -> e20 DAC -> HD800. No personal experience with mp3 but occasionally using internet streaming radio from a Cambridge Sonata NP30 and the latter SQ is just good enough for some background listening.

 

I'm coming from an also about 20 year old Stax Lambda Pro /SRD7MkII/ED-1 and the new HD800 is revealing things that I did not hear before, as well as clearly better sound staging. No contest there in that aspect. And I'm still using the "infamous" single ended stock cable, plugged directly into the exasound e20. I'm in the 2014 batch for a GS-X MkII, maybe in summer... ;-)). I have not heard the current Stax 009.

 

I just thought that a 009 / BHSE combo is as top notch as it can get and then feeding some mp3 music files sounds a little strange, even literally ;-))).

post #4650 of 5869
When I went to the Cambridgeshire head-fi meeting in 2012 icebear, I took my 009 / BHSE, but because the K-01 weighs 33kg, I took my iPod to use as source instead, and those that had a listen but didn't see I was using an iPod, thought that the SQ was so good that when they realised I was only using an iPod, they couldn't believe the SQ they were hearing.
The K-01 ( IMO ) does take the SQ to an amazing level, but the 009 / BHSE with the iPod also sounds very good.
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