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post #3931 of 6053
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

With the majority of the songs I listened to when I was listening to both the 009's and 007mk1's in the same day with my BHSE, most of the songs did sound better from the 009's, it's just the songs that sounded and sound uncomfortable with the 009's, didn't with the 007mk1's.
That's the only reason why I'd prefer the 007mk1 over the 009 when driven by the BHSE.

 

Hello David Maybe some songs sounded uncomfortable with the 009's because they were poorly recorded... Precision and acuity are mercyless. Conversely, with a fairly good sound system, everything sounds satisfactorly. Best regards
post #3932 of 6053
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Thanks for this post.  Very informative and in terms that I really feel I understand.  I feel your biases are similar to mine.  I am primarily a classical buff, but listen to a lot of the things on your list.  Jack Woo let me listen to 009s and 007s extensively on his stock and maxed-out (at least sort of) WES amp's at T.H.E. Show in New York in 2011.  I decided there was no contest at that time, but did not notice what version of 007s it was.  Maybe the date tells you.  I like to hear, e.g., that the violin section is really a group of individual violins playing, or all the "stuff" going on in Mahler's Symphony of a Thousand (8th), and the 009s really shine there.

 

"All Beatles": the new, remastered versions, or the common ones?
post #3933 of 6053
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Hello DavidMaybe some songs sounded uncomfortable with the 009's because they were poorly recorded... Precision and acuity are mercyless. Conversely, with a fairly good sound system, everything sounds satisfactorly.Best regards

The 009's IMO do pick up on badly recorded music, but when I heard the 009 aswell as 007mk1, I was listening to some of those songs with the 007 / BHSE and there was no problem.
My only complaint about the 009's are those songs, but take those songs away and they are easily the best sounding headphones I've ever heard, and the time I heard the LL along with my BHSE, I listened to my 009's with both amps and preferred the sound from 009 / BHSE, although at the time both amps were very close in SQ.
I'm not knocking the LL but when I heard it with my BHSE, for a comfortable listening volume for me with the BHSE, it's volume knob was at 12 o'clock, but to get the same volume with the LL it's volume knob was at 2 o'clock.
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The 007 is rolled off on the top end so masks poor recordings unlike the 009.  Some people prefer this type of mush, spritzer  wink.gif.

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At 54, I don't worry about over-reaching in the highs, nature has taken care of that for me.

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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post


The 009's IMO do pick up on badly recorded music, but when I heard the 009 aswell as 007mk1, I was listening to some of those songs with the 007 / BHSE and there was no problem.
My only complaint about the 009's are those songs, but take those songs away and they are easily the best sounding headphones I've ever heard, and the time I heard the LL along with my BHSE, I listened to my 009's with both amps and preferred the sound from 009 / BHSE, although at the time both amps were very close in SQ.
I'm not knocking the LL but when I heard it with my BHSE, for a comfortable listening volume for me with the BHSE, it's volume knob was at 12 o'clock, but to get the same volume with the LL it's volume knob was at 2 o'clock.

I don't think what you're hearing necessarily means it's a bad recording. If you want hear something bad, put on Norah Jones Little Broken Hearts. Nothing about it sounds good with the BHSE/SR-009.

 

Some people feel the Eagles Hell Freezes Over CD to be of reference quality. Try listening to track 12 Take it Easy and tell me how that sounds. Actually, I have a hard time even getting through the entire CD at anything above normal listening levels.

post #3937 of 6053
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Originally Posted by Phil95 View Post

Hello Spritzer The 009's are so bad you sold them... Your previous posts left me with a positive opinion about the SR009. So I'm wondering whether your latest assertion (009 so bad) is first or second degree... Anyway, what headphones/amp combo are you currently using? TYMV

 

The 009 has a lot of good traits but the over all sound signature leaves me cold.  It's too strained, trying too hard to impress if you will.  There is nothing there that the either the SR-007 or the SR-Omega don't do and even better in all cases.  My first impressions of the 009 were "a improved SR-Omega" and that is true in some ways but the Omega never makes me think, I'd rather listen to something else. 

 

Given the huge number of headphones and amps I have there is a constant rotation going on.  That said a KGSS, KGSSHV and a BHSE are permanent fixtures in my system and lately I've been using the Sennheiser HE90 I built with Stax drivers a lot.  Also the SR-X Mk3 Pro and SR-Omega. 

 

Currently I'm comparing the Kingsound KS-H1/M-10 combo against the Stax SRS-2170.  The later costing 1/10th of the BHSE sitting below it... :o 

 

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The 007 is rolled off on the top end so masks poor recordings unlike the 009.  Some people prefer this type of mush, spritzer  wink.gif.

 

:tongue:  Andy is just pulling my leg but he does bring up a good point.  The SR007 needs to be pushed a bit in terms of volume levels to even out the top end while the SR-009's top gets worse and worse as the volume goes up.  That is a large factor why some of us prefer one over the other.  There are also different versions of the SR-007 within what we call the "mk1" so they should not all be treated as equals. 

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@spritzer :D  ...I think you need to send me one of your "good" 007s because I don't like mine...

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@spritzer :D  ...I think you need to send me one of your "good" 007s because I don't like mine...

:D One pair this way too please Birgir. 

post #3940 of 6053
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
 

 

The 009 has a lot of good traits but the over all sound signature leaves me cold.  It's too strained, trying too hard to impress if you will.  There is nothing there that the either the SR-007 or the SR-Omega don't do and even better in all cases.  My first impressions of the 009 were "a improved SR-Omega" and that is true in some ways but the Omega never makes me think, I'd rather listen to something else. 

 

 

Put a combi RKV-Wee with 009 and you will lighten the mood and get a rich, full and warm sound :)

 

The Omega and 007 mk1 are surely good headphones with T2 and BHSE, but there is a catch, these headphones are no longer in production in 2013, unlike the 009.

These "vintage" headphones can also deteriorate over time (earpads, film of the diaphragm ?) .


Edited by eric65 - 9/3/13 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post

I don't think what you're hearing necessarily means it's a bad recording. If you want hear something bad, put on Norah Jones Little Broken Hearts. Nothing about it sounds good with the BHSE/SR-009.

Some people feel the Eagles Hell Freezes Over CD to be of reference quality. Try listening to track 12 Take it Easy and tell me how that sounds. Actually, I have a hard time even getting through the entire CD at anything above normal listening levels.

Some of the songs I have problems with probably are well recorded, it's just they sound so uncomfortable with my 009 / BHSE. Peter Gabriel is a remarkable musician, ( and one of my favourite artists ) but one of the most fatiguing songs I've heard from the 009 is Sledge Hammer.
Anyway I said enough on my negative thought about the 009's, so I won't say anything else about them.
post #3942 of 6053
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post


Some of the songs I have problems with probably are well recorded, it's just they sound so uncomfortable with my 009 / BHSE. Peter Gabriel is a remarkable musician, ( and one of my favourite artists ) but one of the most fatiguing songs I've heard from the 009 is Sledge Hammer.
Anyway I said enough on my negative thought about the 009's, so I won't say anything else about them.

So I just played the So CD and Eagles Hell Freezes Over CD on my 2 channel system. Guess what, both sounded just as bad. Probably sounded worse on the speakers given how loud I was playing them.

post #3943 of 6053
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post


Some of the songs I have problems with probably are well recorded, it's just they sound so uncomfortable with my 009 / BHSE. Peter Gabriel is a remarkable musician, ( and one of my favourite artists ) but one of the most fatiguing songs I've heard from the 009 is Sledge Hammer.
Anyway I said enough on my negative thought about the 009's, so I won't say anything else about them.

 

PG is one of my favorites as well, but that song (and Big Time) are two of the harshest songs I can think of. Even from our modest speaker system, my wife and I both run to skip the song when it starts playing. I have heard it from the original cd and the sacd as well. It is only listenable live to my ears (and I find it harsh with the 007 mk1 as well), but I may be slightly biased as it would be one of my least favorite PG songs - not sure if it is the song or how it was mastered.

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Originally Posted by Phil95 View Post
 

 

"All Beatles": the new, remastered versions, or the common ones?

I have remastered and some special Japanese pressings of the Capitol albums, the White Album, Mag.MysTour, and Abbey Rd..

I'm sort of a Beatles freak. (God save me, Wings also. I've seen Paul in concert.)

post #3945 of 6053
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post
 

I don't think what you're hearing necessarily means it's a bad recording. If you want hear something bad, put on Norah Jones Little Broken Hearts. Nothing about it sounds good with the BHSE/SR-009.

 

Some people feel the Eagles Hell Freezes Over CD to be of reference quality. Try listening to track 12 Take it Easy and tell me how that sounds. Actually, I have a hard time even getting through the entire CD at anything above normal listening levels.

Hey, I have this K2-mastered version of H.F.O. and it's awesome--sweet and not painful but full of life and dynamics, just fine on my 009s:

 

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-45146-eagles-hell-freezes-over-k2-hd-mastering-cd.aspx?source=igodigital&

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