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post #3886 of 5780

Bass is too loose/weak with the SRM-007.

post #3887 of 5780

I just know what my ears tell me with the 007t/ii / 009 combo, that's all. I just bought it because I had long happy years with my SR007 and the original 007t amp

(which sounded like Quad speakers: bass was sort of missing in action, but everything else was so preternaturally real and defined).

 

Like I said, the 009s bass is *not* missing in action at all, and what I hear is full-on tube sound, and honestly, I've never heard a solid-state-only chain that gives that inner light and bloom and

a "continuousness" of vocals that I get from tubes somewhere along the way. I'd just like a little more warmth with about 10-20% of recordings; with that, it would be perfect for me,

just the right balance of delicacy and impact.

 

Maybe there is some sample-difference in Stax amps (mine is from 2009).

 

It seems that Asr, Spritzer, and the fellow who bought Asr's BH and had 009s parted with them because of issues with the highs,

and MuppetFace and Tyll talk about issues with the 009's treble and lack of ease/warmth,

so it seems to me that this is more the intrinsic nature of the phones, at least with all the available amps.

 

So, given that, I think I'm pretty fortunate to have the only semi-downside of the phone being their basic personality and very-direct sonic signature

with this pretty affordable amp.

 

I do note that I had to try a bunch of interconnects and power cords to get it right, but I had to do this with my HD800s also to make them listenable.


Edited by rgs9200m - 8/31/13 at 10:29am
post #3888 of 5780
If you are happy with the SRM-007t2 rgs9200m, then for you that's all that counts.
post #3889 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

If you are happy with the SRM-007t2 rgs9200m, then for you that's all that counts.

Thank you. What I am getting at is, if I really thought that there was an amp out there that would make the 009 sound close to perfect,

meaning totally non-fatiguing along with the fine detail, dynamics, and bass I now hear (or deeper), and maybe a bit more depth,

I would get it.

But I see no consensus among the experienced people here about *any* amp.

There are misgivings that reflect my own feelings about the 009s and what they need.

 

I think I will see what Stax comes up with.

 

(I did hear the WES, loved the bass and staging, but actually heard more fatigue in the lower treble than I hear now, and I like my 007t-a better overall.)

post #3890 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

I just know what my ears tell me with the 007t/ii / 009 combo, that's all. I just bought it because I had long happy years with my SR007 and the original 007t amp

(which sounded like Quad speakers: bass was sort of missing in action, but everything else was so preternaturally real and defined).

 

Like I said, the 009s bass is *not* missing in action at all, and what I hear is full-on tube sound, and honestly, I've never heard a solid-state-only chain that gives that inner light and bloom and

a "continuousness" of vocals that I get from tubes somewhere along the way. I'd just like a little more warmth with about 10-20% of recordings; with that, it would be perfect for me,

just the right balance of delicacy and impact.

 

Maybe there is some sample-difference in Stax amps (mine is from 2009).

 

It seems that Asr, Spritzer, and the fellow who bought Asr's BH and had 009s parted with them because of issues with the highs,

and MuppetFace and Tyll talk about issues with the 009's treble and lack of ease/warmth,

so it seems to me that this is more the intrinsic nature of the phones, at least with all the available amps.

 

So, given that, I think I'm pretty fortunate to have the only semi-downside of the phone being their basic personality and very-direct sonic signature

with this pretty affordable amp.

 

I do note that I had to try a bunch of interconnects and power cords to get it right, but I had to do this with my HD800s also to make them listenable.

It's all about what you've experienced and can compare to.  What other amps have you owned with the 009s?  If you haven't heard other amps with the 009s, you can't make statements about how good or bad the 007t is for the 009s.  You can say how much you like the combo, though.  I'm basing my opinion after hearing the 009s with amps I've owned (BH, KGSS, Aristaeus, 717, 727, modded 727, 007t, 006t, T1, etc) and amps I've heard at meets (DIYT2, LL, Electra).  After hearing all that I can say the 007t is not the super amp you're making it out to be.  If you've never heard anything else, then what you have heard is going to be the best in your mind until you hear something better.  Then that's the best and unbeatable.  Repeat the cycle over and over.  It has nothing to do with model variation or whatever other excuses you've seemingly tried to convince yourself of.  It's like somebody who's only owned the Beyer T1 saying "these have the best highs of any HP", then getting the Abyss and saying "these have the best highs of any HP", then getting the HD800 and saying "these have the best highs of any HP", then getting the SR-009 and saying "these have the best highs of any HP", then getting the Orpheus and saying "these have the best highs of any HP".  None of those changed along the way - only experience did.  I'm giving you a shortcut. tongue.gif

post #3891 of 5780
Hello n3rdling
 
Good explanation.
 
And for you, after listening to all these amplifiers with the 009, which you think is the best or at least better suited (or synergistic) with the 009?
Unless the Orpheus system will still appear above?
 
Thank you for your opinion.
 
Eric
post #3892 of 5780

There is no doubt that the SR-009 has serious issues that bother some more than others.  My issue with the 007t here is that is does so many things wrong so why waste the potential of the transducers in this way? 

post #3893 of 5780

the questions yes, but you should not exaggerate as you make him so often

post #3894 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

... and Tyll talk about issues with the 009's treble and lack of ease/warmth...

 

 

Where did you see this? Haven't checked Innerfidelity in a while but last I saw he glowed about the 009, preferring them to the 007.

post #3895 of 5780
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

There is no doubt that the SR-009 has serious issues that bother some more than others.  My issue with the 007t here is that is does so many things wrong so why waste the potential of the transducers in this way? 

 

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Originally Posted by superfred21 View Post

the questions yes, but you should not exaggerate as you make him so often

 

X2, quite, Frederic


Edited by eric65 - 8/31/13 at 1:35pm
post #3896 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by superfred21 View Post

the questions yes, but you should not exaggerate as you make him so often

 

The 009's are so bad I sold them.  How is that an exaggeration?  Nevermind, why am I wasting my time on somebody who registered this month...

post #3897 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

 

The 009's are so bad I sold them.  How is that an exaggeration?  Nevermind, why am I wasting my time on somebody who registered this month...

 
Hello,
 
Frederic (Superfred21) on the French Forum Stax HCFR publish little but always with quality, it's one of our experts ; just like you?
He owns or has owned or had the opportunity to listen to all kinds of headphones (Stax Omega, 007 mk1, 009 (his favorite), Sennheiser Orpheus HE 90) and amplifier (Stax SRM 323S, SRM-727 II, Eddie Current Electra, BHSE, HEV 90) and I forget ...
In short, this is not a novice ...
 
Eric

Edited by eric65 - 8/31/13 at 2:51pm
post #3898 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

 

The 009's are so bad I sold them.  How is that an exaggeration?  Nevermind, why am I wasting my time on somebody who registered this month...

 

A defective copy, no doubt!

post #3899 of 5780
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric65 View Post

Hello n3rdling
 
Good explanation.
 
And for you, after listening to all these amplifiers with the 009, which you think is the best or at least better suited (or synergistic) with the 009?
Unless the Orpheus system will still appear above?
 
Thank you for your opinion.
 
Eric

Of the amps I've owned, I like the BH most with the 009s (and almost every electrostat really).  The modded 727 is also quite nice. 

 

I still like the Orpheus more.

post #3900 of 5780

I certainly don't think  or am qualified to say the 007t/ii is the best amp with the 009s or even nearly the best.

I'm just saying that I think the sound is very fine in absolute terms to me, period.

 

I was just trying to summarize what I think others are saying here (in over a year of posts on this), maybe even reading between the lines a little, or trying to figure out why they sold their 009s.

The only other amp I have an opinion on is the WES, which I heard at a meet.

(If you feel I should not be re-interpreting others' opinions, that's a valid criticism I suppose, and I sit corrected on that and apologize to anyone who is annoyed by that. Sorry.)

 

Like I said before, the WES had more authority, deeper stronger bass, better depth of field and layering (all very nice qualities), but there was too much glare for me (on classical and vocal music).

Thus, the 007t/ii is overall better sounding because the vocals and upper-mid/lower treble instruments are nicely in the plane of the music and, in most recordings, not overemphasized or painfully piercing.

That's the extent of my amp comparisons. That's all I know.

 

If I said anything to sound like I was criticizing something I never heard, I of course did not mean to say that at all, that being the ultimate sin of audio-posting,

and maybe I worded things wrong (which happens when my wife is asking me to go somewhere when I'd rather be reading head-fi...).

 

I guess it just gets my Irish up when I hear the 007t/ii 009 combo easily dismissed as unacceptable and I feel compelled to chime in (like a broken record, I know...).

I note again that Tyll said that he liked the amp a lot and mentioned the fine delicacy of the sound with this amp but had big issues with the highs at higher volumes, saying the treble became distorted.

(I managed to tweak my system to make the highs fine on most recordings at any reasonable volume.) And he said he preferred the 007t/ii to the 727, which he disliked.

So, while not exactly a positive endorsement of the 007t/ii, it reflects its ability to produce some very sweet sounds, which is one reason I find it compelling,

the co-existence of sweetness and deep insight, speed, and extraordinary detail, something that is unique to me that I have never heard before in audio, a revelation.

 

I do feel that the 009 is the biggest enigma I have come across in high end audio.


Edited by rgs9200m - 8/31/13 at 10:14pm
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