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post #16 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
I only use both with Ety ER4P/S IEMs, not hard to drive.
Yes, about all I have been using lately are the JH13 Pro IEM's. I have amps with a large voltage swing and plenty of power to little baby amps and it seems to ultimately be more of the finesse of the amp and the ability to really articulate the music that makes the difference.
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post #17 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:15am
i think D10 just loses out in built quality. D10 more versatile but I feel unless you can utilise the best of it which is roll-op amps and optical out, you should get pico if wallet allows. I don't think pico will lose to D10(stock).

headfi-ers won't really mind much for 200 bucks in the expense of audio pleasure IMO.
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post #18 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:15am
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
Yes, about all I have been using lately are the JH13 Pro IEM's. I have amps with a large voltage swing and plenty of power to little baby amps and it seems to ultimately be more of the finesse of the amp and the ability to really articulate the music that makes the difference.
Absolutely. For what I use these little amps for, relatively large voltage/current deliveries are really irrelevant for IEMs. If I have a 300Ohms HP, I'll use a desktop HP amp that can deliver the voltage/current. Else these little buggers will just clip.
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post #19 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by charlie0904 View Post
i think D10 just loses out in built quality. D10 more versatile but I feel unless you can utilise the best of it which is roll-op amps and optical out, you should get pico if wallet allows. I don't think pico will lose to D10(stock).

headfi-ers won't really mind much for 200 bucks in the expense of audio pleasure IMO.
Build quality? I see nothing wrong with the build quality of the D10. They have used some very good quality parts and I have read of very few problems with the amp. With all of the opamp rolling, you could expect some problems but I have read of few. It would seem both amps are well built, from what I have seen.
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post #20 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:42am
Also, power delivery has to be measured across the entire audio bandwidth, typically 20Hz - 20KHz. When manufacturers quote power, it is usually only at 1kHz and at a certain impedance.
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post #21 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
Also, power delivery has to be measured across the entire audio bandwidth, typically 20Hz - 20KHz. When manufacturers quote power, it is usually only at 1kHz and at a certain impedance.
Yes, there are so many variables as the impedance changes and frequency varies, it sure isn't static. Well the ears will tell all. :^)
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post #22 of 41
8/13/09 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
Build quality? I see nothing wrong with the build quality of the D10. They have used some very good quality parts and I have read of very few problems with the amp. With all of the opamp rolling, you could expect some problems but I have read of few. It would seem both amps are well built, from what I have seen.
Both are well built but they are not equal. Pico has better build overall.
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post #23 of 41
8/13/09 at 4:35am
Having handled and used both (a borrowed Pico) I wouldn't say thet the Pico is better build, just different. I will admit that the Pico is sexier due to it's size though. I'm perfectly happy with my choice of buying the D10 but then I din't have any choice as what I wanted it for was the optical ability.
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post #24 of 41
8/13/09 at 10:50am
They are both fantastic amps, you're not going to be able to tell any real difference in SQ between the two. However, the Pico's physical qualities are better, IMHO; the D10 that I have has a somewhat second rate volume pot (feels a bit brittle when clicking on and off), and the two front jacks are not the greatest, with the occasional poor connection. Also, the switches are a little bit 'agricultural'. The Pico, on the other hand, is sweet and smooth in all the above departments.

That said, I am very happy with both, you have nothing to stress about.
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post #25 of 41
8/13/09 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
Build quality? I see nothing wrong with the build quality of the D10. They have used some very good quality parts and I have read of very few problems with the amp. With all of the opamp rolling, you could expect some problems but I have read of few. It would seem both amps are well built, from what I have seen.
i pretty much refer to the RF issue. thats the reason i hold back on ibasso products. anyway i actually prefer the D10 stock sound to mustang, even though mustang is more power and ... not sure about pico as i never managed to try one but i read that they are very transparent in comparison to others which is what i am looking for.

i looking D2+ for my ath M50 via pc. will decide when my local shop has it.
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post #26 of 41
8/13/09 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by charlie0904 View Post
i pretty much refer to the RF issue. thats the reason i hold back on ibasso products. anyway i actually prefer the D10 stock sound to mustang, even though mustang is more power and ... not sure about pico as i never managed to try one but i read that they are very transparent in comparison to others which is what i am looking for.

i looking D2+ for my ath M50 via pc. will decide when my local shop has it.
IIRC there are specific op-amp combinations that can drastically reduce RF in the D10.
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post #27 of 41
8/13/09 at 12:10pm
Yes I will admit to the fact the iBasso does not seem to believe in any for of rf shielding which was why I sold my T4 that was bought to be used glued to the back of an iPhone. For that application I'm eagerly following the Pico Slim thread.
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post #28 of 41
8/13/09 at 1:02pm
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Both are well built but they are not equal. Pico has better build overall.
I think you are referring about how it looks, if so I agree the Pico is nicer looking unit and smaller. However the Pico does not accept coaxial/optical, not an issue if you do not need these two type of inputs. Cheers.
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post #29 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:03pm
Yep, I love the looks of the Pico. It has the smooth refined look that remind me of Italian styling, something that appeals to me.

The D10 has a different look, obviously, with a finish that can take a lot of abuse. Having been inside of it and having done some modification, I can say that they are using good quality parts. I have never had a problem with the jacks and the volume pot tracks well (balance from left to right even at low volumes).
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post #30 of 41
8/13/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Philski View Post
They are both fantastic amps, you're not going to be able to tell any real difference in SQ between the two. However, the Pico's physical qualities are better, IMHO; the D10 that I have has a somewhat second rate volume pot (feels a bit brittle when clicking on and off), and the two front jacks are not the greatest, with the occasional poor connection. Also, the switches are a little bit 'agricultural'. The Pico, on the other hand, is sweet and smooth in all the above departments.

That said, I am very happy with both, you have nothing to stress about.
X2 on the vol pot. I would like to replace/mod it.
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