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post #61 of 117
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Originally Posted by Zodduska View Post
Macs "just work" eh?

Mac Problems
Good one.
post #62 of 117
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Originally Posted by PhilS View Post
Good one.
Fun site though! We need one of those for the newbies here!
post #63 of 117
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Originally Posted by Bender Rodriguez View Post
I have a Ford, but want to be able to use GM parts in it. No fair!! Ford is a monopoly!!
Totally irrelevant. Other companies can make parts for Ford vehicles if they want to, that includes GM.
post #64 of 117
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Originally Posted by Zodduska View Post
Macs "just work" eh?

Mac Problems
Way to argue. Not only does a google throw up any of the keywords, it also provides a zillion hits to troubleshooting anything and everything Mac.

They're not infallible - if you sell make and sell enough of anything, you'll have a failure rate in the market, and unhappy customers. The iPod apparantly has enormous numbers of warranty claims; does that mean it's a poor product, simply because they're selling far more of them than the competition?

No. Every manufacturing process has a QA failure rate, no matter how well QA is implemented. Like diminishing returns on audio, it costs enormous amounts of money and resources to drive down the last few % of quality control issues, and they can never be eradicted.

I've been a PC user for years, still am at work, but now have a Mac at home, and far from being a fanboy/Apple zealot, simply find it a nice, easy GUI.

As it ages, and I add higher burden on the hardware and OS, with filling up HD space and extra software, then, like my old PC, I'm sure it'll start to struggle, such is the nature of desktop computing.
post #65 of 117
The point of that lmgtfy is to prove that people who say macs "just work" are blind followers who ignore any issue they and others have had with their flawless apples to further the cause. Mac issues are not isolated to faulty hardware as you seem to be implying. For example, my aunt called me when she was visiting my mom, trying to get her MacBook internet access by directly connecting it to the cable modem with a cat5 cable... now, any windows PC should have no problem connecting to the internet that way, but not the mac! Too bad, I could have helped her if it were a PC and she never got it working. Maybe she should have called one of the Mac Geniuses.
post #66 of 117
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Originally Posted by Drubbing View Post
Way to argue.
Do you really believe that a debate (and I use the term loosely in this case) of some sort is going to settle a question as contentious and ambiguous as which OS/Computing platform is the best?

I will say that there is an abundance of misinformation in this thread about software development, hardware compatibility, etc., etc. If I spent all of my time at the futile task of beating down the vast amounts of FUD spread by people who wear their biases on their sleeve...well I wouldn't have time left to do my job as an IT Solution Architect. Which is one of the reasons that as rule I stay away from threads such as this.

Choice is a wonderful thing to have. To me a computer is a tool. Sometimes it is more than that but since I am an IT professional I typically spend 10 to 12 hours per day at a computer designing and implementing technology solutions for business. I run numerous systems at home, both servers and desktop. I can work with pretty much anything, and regularly use Linux (I prefer Fedora but also have Mandrake and SUSE systems here as well), Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7, a few UNIX platforms -- namely FreeBSD, SUN Solaris on x86, and SGI IRIX running on an O2, and up until recently Mac OS X. The reason I no longer use a Mac is because my Intel iMac failed and is no longer in service. I like the Mac as a computing platform and can understand why a lot of people like it. But, as is true with any computing platform, OS X it is not without its faults and limitations. I may replace my dead iMac, but probably only when a project opportunity comes along where I need to do systems integration work with it -- which is not very often. Though I will admit to miss using it -- even if only a little.

I use Windows Vista as my day-to-day computing environment, mostly because many of the software tools that I use and depend on every day are only available for Windows. If these tools were available for another system would I switch? I don't think so. Ever since the last service packs were issued for Windows XP and Windows Vista I found them both to be very stable. I run my desktop 24/7 and only reboot it once per month when I install patches. I have had one crash in the last several months and it was tracable to a faulty driver from a 3rd party developer. I find my Windows systems to be no more or no less reliable than any of the other OS platforms I run and use regularly.

--Jerome
post #67 of 117
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Originally Posted by Bender Rodriguez View Post
I have a Ford, but want to be able to use GM parts in it. No fair!! Ford is a monopoly!!

Also, comparing Apple and Microsoft is like comparing apples and oranges until Microsoft starts making their own hardware. Microsoft began life by leasing an already existing OS, they did not have a unique product. Microsoft is dependent on other companies' hardware, Apple is not, so Apple is completely within its rights to limit what can and can't run on their hardware. (BTW, can't windows be run on Apple hardware? I believe it can.)
I'm so glad that somebody pointed this out. I will never understand why the PC/Microsoft world, or at least that part of it that hates Apple so much, devotes so much effort to criticizing Apple. Go forth and do your own thing...
post #68 of 117
The Mac and Windows debate is fueled primarily by consumer ignorance:

Macs are just overpriced toys, most of its userbase are d-bags, Apple worships some fella named Stan

Windows is unusable, BSODs are common and untreatable, if you even touch your mouse you'll get a virus, the only good software costs big money

Although there is truth to some of these and other points, most arguments are perpetrated by idiots who fornicate with their computers, and don't want to be told that "she's really not that hot".
post #69 of 117
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post
Do you really believe that a debate (and I use the term loosely in this case) of some sort is going to settle a question as contentious and ambiguous as which OS/Computing platform is the best?

I will say that there is an abundance of misinformation in this thread about software development, hardware compatibility, etc., etc. If I spent all of my time at the futile task of beating down the vast amounts of FUD spread by people who wear their biases on their sleeve...well I wouldn't have time left to do my job as an IT Solution Architect. Which is one of the reasons that as rule I stay away from threads such as this.

Choice is a wonderful thing to have. To me a computer is a tool. Sometimes it is more than that but since I am an IT professional I typically spend 10 to 12 hours per day at a computer designing and implementing technology solutions for business. I run numerous systems at home, both servers and desktop. I can work with pretty much anything, and regularly use Linux (I prefer Fedora but also have Mandrake and SUSE systems here as well), Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7, a few UNIX platforms -- namely FreeBSD, SUN Solaris on x86, and SGI IRIX running on an O2, and up until recently Mac OS X. The reason I no longer use a Mac is because my Intel iMac failed and is no longer in service. I like the Mac as a computing platform and can understand why a lot of people like it. But, as is true with any computing platform, OS X it is not without its faults and limitations. I may replace my dead iMac, but probably only when a project opportunity comes along where I need to do systems integration work with it -- which is not very often. Though I will admit to miss using it -- even if only a little.

I use Windows Vista as my day-to-day computing environment, mostly because many of the software tools that I use and depend on every day are only available for Windows. If these tools were available for another system would I switch? I don't think so. Ever since the last service packs were issued for Windows XP and Windows Vista I found them both to be very stable. I run my desktop 24/7 and only reboot it once per month when I install patches. I have had one crash in the last several months and it was tracable to a faulty driver from a 3rd party developer. I find my Windows systems to be no more or no less reliable than any of the other OS platforms I run and use regularly.

--Jerome
A magisterial reply, Jerome. It's tough to work up polemics against such a grounded, authoritative account. 'Hope people read it through.
post #70 of 117
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Originally Posted by Zodduska View Post
The point of that lmgtfy is to prove that people who say macs "just work" are blind followers who ignore any issue they and others have had with their flawless apples to further the cause. Mac issues are not isolated to faulty hardware as you seem to be implying. For example, my aunt called me when she was visiting my mom, trying to get her MacBook internet access by directly connecting it to the cable modem with a cat5 cable... now, any windows PC should have no problem connecting to the internet that way, but not the mac! Too bad, I could have helped her if it were a PC and she never got it working. Maybe she should have called one of the Mac Geniuses.
So, Macs are bad because you do not understand the OS?

I speak both OS-X and Windows (mostly 9x/XP) and can sometimes fix problems on both systems. And while Macs are not trouble-free, I've had far fewer weird reboots/crashes/UI muckups on the macs that I've owned. Plus, I like the OS more- I can work more efficiently on a Mac.
post #71 of 117
Another Apple vs. Microsoft bash thread?
Oh well, I though that had been discussed to death already. Several times that is...
post #72 of 117
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Originally Posted by moogoob View Post
So, Macs are bad because you do not understand the OS?

I speak both OS-X and Windows (mostly 9x/XP) and can sometimes fix problems on both systems. And while Macs are not trouble-free, I've had far fewer weird reboots/crashes/UI muckups on the macs that I've owned. Plus, I like the OS more- I can work more efficiently on a Mac.
Where did I say macs are bad, I don't have a problem with them. What I don't like is the lie perpetuated by zealots who claim macs are trouble free.
post #73 of 117
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Another Apple vs. Microsoft bash thread?
Oh well, I though that had been discussed to death already. Several times that is...
Please read the forum rules. When signing up for Head-Fi you are required to start a "I hate Windows/Mac OS X/Linux/Whatever" thread in the member's lounge followed immediately by a "Pink Floyd is Awesome" thread in the music forum.

--Jerome
post #74 of 117
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Originally Posted by Zodduska View Post
Where did I say macs are bad, I don't have a problem with them. What I don't like is the lie perpetuated by zealots who claim macs are trouble free.
Nobody seriously claims Macs are trouble free. You're setting up a straw man. The claim made by many is that Macs tend to have fewer troubles than PC's. That may not be everybody's experience, as personal experiences with any mass-produced product are all over the map. But certainly a substantial number of people who have switched to Macs have reported fewer of the problems and inconveniences often associated with PC's.

Note that this does not mean than anybody who prefers a PC for whatever reason has something wrong with them, nor is it a reflection on their mama.

And the notion that "people who say macs 'just work' are blind followers who ignore any issue they and others have had with their flawless apples to further the cause," is just silly. I want a computer that can do what I need it to do and that causes me as few problems as possible. When there's a PC that easier to use than a Mac and has fewer problems, I'll switch my Macs (I have both PC's and Mac's) to PC's in a second. Many others feel the same way.

And this thread is, indeed, just a rerun of the same thread we have every three months.
post #75 of 117
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But certainly a substantial number of people who have switched to Macs have reported fewer of the problems and inconveniences often associated with PC's.
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if most of those were uneducated users who just didn't know how to handle Windows. Same with folks who think Macs can only do internet and itunes.

As for me, I'm infinitely more scared of hardware failure than petty OS issues.
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