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post #31 of 43
hmmm, I didn't think there was anything wrong with the bass. I see what you mean Sachu about it not having much decay, it reminded me of electrostatic bass, but with much more ooomph.
post #32 of 43
Maybe I'm trippin about the bass. I guess there's technically nothing wrong with it, but I do like em a bit bassier in general. I measure bass by impact, not sheer quantity. My issue is mainly with the treble, I think. If an ideal headphone frequency response curve has a slight hump in the midbass and a slight dip in the low treble, then I would guess that the Audeze are tuned a bit too flat to sound neutral. Nobody else seems to have the same complaints as me, though, so maybe I'm just crazy.
post #33 of 43
well, heck. I failed to buy this audeze although I raised my wallet first. then nobody vouches for the loaner. now I gotta read audio-babble about decay and humps? nah, I'm going back to playing my real planars!
post #34 of 43
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying
post #35 of 43
This thread needs a new picture:
(taken just to put up here at the end of this thread)
post #36 of 43
These don't have any fancy space-age plastic or polished wood. But it appears that the people at Audeze spent all their effort instead on the driver and making it sound fantastic.

The result is amazing, to my ears.
post #37 of 43

first impressions

so I finally got my mitts on an Audeze LCD1. comfy, even on a warm evening (saw 108 degrees nearby while driving, and 98 locally - of course it's only 74 now, otherwise I wouldn't wear these). not burned in yet, but I'll listen right away. here are some first impressions: fast, detailed, spacious sound.

running FLAC files of the Prezens Quartet (David Torn, Tim Berne, Craig Taborn, Tom Rainey) through a CIA VDA2 into the WA3+ the results were, right off the bat, quite nice. oh yeah, the Audeze LCD1 gets get plenty loud - on my WA3+ I turned it up to only about 11am, while I can get my DT880s to about noon for about the same feel. taking the LCD1 off to check on ambient leaking - not bad. good seal, certainly just as comfy as my Beyers.

the LCD1 throws soundstage aplenty. but the very deepest bass (e.g. synth FX) isn't as fat. good on guitar fingering details, great on filigreed percussion. switching back and forth a bit between the DT880 and the LCD1 on electronica (e.g. Fripp/Eno, as well as some Murcof tracks) revealed a lack of heavy, deep bass. vocals excel on the LCD1 (e.g. Four Last Songs, by Strauss, of which I have half a dozen recordings with different sopranos); but again, the double-bass section slams less than it does on the DT880s.

thinking of a list of test tracks for the next few days.
post #38 of 43
Leather pads give more bass. Have to check what it does to the air.
post #39 of 43
well, with more test tracks under my belt (i.e. things I have heard many times on many set-ups so I can sniff out differences without having to plug/unplug constantly), I'll hasten to add that there is indeed nice bass on the LCD-1, airy and accurate bass, like the low freq one gets from magnepan panels. there's no lack - it's a different bass flavor: not rumbling but clear, precise. (I love what a DT880 does, but this is a different vehicle.)

as for treble extension, my hearing isn't able to discern the finer points there as easily (getting old...) but what sticks out is that in the middle, for vocals, or cello (Bach Suites, throwing a couple different recordings at them), or radio announcers, there's a clean and delicate sound with the LCD-1, a naturalness that doesn't sound boomy or boxy.

another odd test: gaming with the LCD-1. although I won't claim that the HDMI signal from a console is audiophile material, it's something one hears for hours, and comes to know it. the LCD-1 provides very useful and accurate spatial orientation - but I'm unsure how much credit goes to the WA3+ here. so I got to switch over to another set-up for more observations. more later.
post #40 of 43
The 3D space is a strong side of the LCD-1 also with my EMU 0404 usb / XCANv3 tube headamp.
post #41 of 43
a few more systematic notes on the Audez'e LCD-1 headphone: using the XLO reference recordings test & burn-in CD, the Denon audiotechnical test CD, the Stereo Review gold stereo & surround sound set-up disc, the Chesky ultimate demonstration disc, and the Alan Parsons & Stephen Court sound check CD.

using the Stereo Review & chesky records gold stereo & surround sound set-up disc, the responsiveness, sound-staging, and channel separation of the LCD-1 can be tested in a variety of ways (and my VDA2 DAC can switch phase on the fly, so the tracks testing in and out of phase can be further toyed with). in the channel balance test the Audez'e LCD1 cleanly separates left and right; the stepped pan test demonstrates the width of the sound-stage with the LCD1 (on some headphones, that test reveals a compressed in-head stage). music tracks confirm the same: the CD has an image and resolution test with a percussionist moving around a microphone in a large room, and a mozart piano concerto movement that allows you to discern the grand piano and its placement on stage with an orchestra, with brass, woodwinds, strings, drums. the piano sounds fantastically airy on the LCD1, with quick attack and crystal clear tone, the microphone close and above the open piano. - a shock was the clap test from the stereo review & chesky records gold stereo & surround sound set-up disc, which they encourage you to try on high-end headphones and compare to your speaker set-up. the claps are far outside your head with the LCD1, and very precisely localized. same with the latin music tracks that include guitar, claps, percussion, and voice: very real imaging.

the XLO reference recordings test & burn-in CD also has a clap track, to test for decay. as others have observed, the LCD1 is uncannily fast on the attack, and shows fast decay as well. - the Denon audiotechnical test CD offers sine waves at different frequencies, music samples to test balance and phase, as well as pink and white noise. the LCD1 again proves its speed and accuracy, and a cleaner mid-range than most headphones I've heard. string quartets sound liquid and smooth, detailed. piano keys are limpid, somewhat bright. organ music has lots of room and air, full ambiance. the Denon jazz test track has a piano that is a bit harsh, but the saxophone sounds sensationally close and well-miked. the rock test has clean and fast drums in a spacious stadium.

the Chesky ultimate demonstration disc offers a series of audio tracks, introduced with hints as to what details to listen for in terms of reproduced detail. again, the LCD1 offers very high resolution and spacious staging width. in testing for depth, you're told to listen for a ten foot distance from the microphone, and I feel the stage the LCD1 throws is not as deep as it is wide. (then again, most recordings will only offer 'artificial' depth that the engineer dialed in, so this is a tricky one to listen for.) the filigreed drumming on this bluesy track is nice on the LCD1, and the upright bass, sometimes bowed, is recessed to make room for the female voice, and the other accompanying instruments. the piano and bass on Leny Andrade's rendering of Maiden Voyage have heft without giving up any degree of clarity and resolution. this CD also offers a test track for midrange purity, and the magneplanar technology clearly has its best foot forward on this count: amazingly nice a capella vocals. but as with my large Magnepan speaker panels, I feel the LCD1 does better if you power it up a bit - I turned this one to about two o'clock on my WA3+ where usually I hardly go beyond noon.

the Chesky demo disc asks you to listen for certain things introduced before each demo track - naturalness, transparency, presence, impact, rhythm and pace, focus, holographic imaging, transients, resonance, dynamics, atmosphere. on each count, without typing up the details, the LCD1 does very well; but it sometimes requires the listener to invest a certain amount of belief in what is briefly described about the recording set-up ("how much do I believe that the saxophone is between the drummer and the pianist", or "how high is the cathedral where this Britten Te Deum is recorded with one microphone suspended 30 feet up"), which one may or may not find important in other recordings where such information is not explicit, although of course it may be audible if it's there. an example given, which the LCD1 does extremely well on, is a monty alexander track, with two drum sets and two bass players, a brass section, and a lightning fast piano sailing through "sweet georgia brown" - the audez'e headphone clearly separates the walking upright from the thumping electric bass, and spaces out the brass players nicely around the stage. sonically it tilts this big group more to the mid-range than my DT880s do, though.

as others have observed in listening to the LCD1, there is a bit of roll-off above 17Khz, and below 80Hz (hardly any discernable bass tone below 60, but you can still 'feel' a sound down to about 40Hz). but there are no spurious resonances in the housing that are identifiable with the test sweep. a track like Oregon's "Leather Cats" demonstrates that the LCD1 accurately reproduces deep electric bass and synthesizer sounds, just more on the lean side compared to other cans. (I am a cello and bass player, and have a disproportionate amount of bassy music, ranging across jazz, classics, and electronica in my collection, so that's why a DT880 does well for me. and, second disclosure, my hearing measurably weakens in the high frequencies, so I won't hear any sharpness or sibilance in very high bands that may be perceptible to younger ears on certain tracks with certain phones. I try telling myself that I make up with musical training and experience what I miss physiologically. oh well...)

to conclude, there is certainly an astonishing comfort level with the Audez'e LCD-1, no fatigue, very high resolution, no particular weakness or exaggeration in its voicing - very similar to Magnepan speakers.
post #42 of 43
The first production run of the LCD-1 appears to be sold out.
post #43 of 43
ps - on the Lunchbox Pro, now fed by the Pico DAC, the Audez'e LCD-1 betrays more tubey sounds: still very detailed, but smoother, a tad less bright than with the VDA2 and the WA3+ (which I guess means something about the tubes I'm using in each, but that's not what was listening for here...) it still doesn't have big orchestra bass-slam, but it's certainly coming into its own on the lower end with prolonged use.
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