NorCal 8/8/09 meet impressions
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:03 AM Post #76 of 154
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Originally Posted by Philimon /img/forum/go_quote.gif

Thank you very much sir. I cant remember the name, but I do remember you had the awesome Grado headphones, and you worked as an animator (completely jealous and impressed). I was glad to meet so many exceptionally kind people as well.



My name is Paul. It was nice meeting you too
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. Give me a shout when you next come up and we can have lunch in the studio.
-Paul
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM Post #77 of 154
Increasingly at meets I seem to be visiting more and listening to gear less. Missed a few of the biggies, but...

Day after rig I'm most thinking about: Voltron's Mac-Amarra / Alpha / WES / various 'stats.

Most enjoyed the HE-Audio, but great to hear how the Lambdas scaled. Missed the O1 as it was moving around. Hoping for more than the O2.

EDIT: Also should mentioned being impressed with the Headamp Pico Slim and TTVJ Portable Headphone DAC/amp (pretty beautiful case design) output. Both even did an admirable job with the HD800s. The TTVJ FET-A also paired much better with a Parasound 1100, then my previous experiences with the Apogee Duet, which was a bit too aggressive with some music.
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:12 AM Post #78 of 154
It was great to meet you blessingx. I really enjoyed listening to your CD3000.
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:21 AM Post #79 of 154
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Stacker 2/Sonic Studios: Great, of course. JP obvsiously knows his stuff.



Wow..first mention of the stacker..wondering why no one is posting about it. Saw a couple of pics..but nothing else about it.

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CTH: I'm actually listening to one as I'm typing this up. I only have low impedance phones these days, but this little guy is a KILLER with low impedance. It's at least mid-fi, not lo-fi. I'll have to compare it to a CK2III sometime.



Heh..glad you like your new amp
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and i have a fair idea of how the outcome of that comparision is going to be.
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Aug 10, 2009 at 6:29 AM Post #80 of 154
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I was the lucky winner. The PPAS sounds excellent! The build quality is also great. I actually prefer this casing/design to my previous amp, the minibox-e+. Thank you again FallenAngel (I am sorry, but I cannot remember your name. You even fixed the cables on my headphones not too long, and I still forget your name. I am terrible with names...)! I am sorry I didn't talk more with you at the meet, but I was a bit embarrassed/excited from winning... I wanted ask you more about the amp. Would you mind telling me a little more about the specs on this particular build of the amp?


No worries, I'm terrible with names as well.
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PPAS is a 3-channel buffered design based on Tangent's PPAv1 amplifier. It uses LME49720/LME49710 opamps (identical to LM4562) and BUF634 on each channel. Power supply is JFET isolated has 660uF across rails and 100uF per rail afterwards. It's my favorite portable amp design.

I also built a little a trickle charger for the 9V inside there and included a power supply, just plug it in overnight when battery gets low. I can't remember exactly how long battery should last, but you can find out for yourself easily enough.

Enjoy
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:33 AM Post #82 of 154
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It was great to meet you blessingx. I really enjoyed listening to your CD3000.


You too Donald.

As I was on the next table it was also great to spend more time with the (single-ended) DNA amp (mostly with HD800s), than I was able to at CanJam. It's extremely clean sounding [warning: stereotype coming] for a tube amp and certainly reminded me of a few solid ss listens. I can definitely see how it would be a preferred signature for many. And please keep up with the aesthetic concerns too!
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:50 AM Post #83 of 154
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Those were ours and I am happy to oblige - but I'm not sure about the rules here regarding discussing our products, and I don't want to take advantage of this forum if the rules don't allow my talking about it. I can discuss the product on our Bottlehead forum if it would be improper to discuss it here.



Very cool little amps, I want one! PM sent.

Peace,

Lee
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 8:49 AM Post #84 of 154
Another great meet! Great to see a lot of friendly faces........Voltron, JP, Justin, Ironbut, Mikeymad, FrankCooter, AMB and so many more. I listened to the Gamma II extensively and enjoyed it thoroughly. How does Ti get such a wonderful sound out of a small package? I joined Amb and Justin for some very spicy Sezchwan cuisine in San Mateo after the show. I spent a large amount of time working on my non-audio project at the show, the stainless laser ray-gun. Almost finished another one to help finance more shows/audio gear. This is one is from an earlier build.........
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Aug 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM Post #86 of 154
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Wow..first mention of the stacker..wondering why no one is posting about it. Saw a couple of pics..but nothing else about it.


The Stacker 2/Sonic rig was very nice. If I remembered correctly, I listened to three different versions of Baba O'Reilly on that rig. Very nice.
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM Post #87 of 154
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Wow..first mention of the stacker..wondering why no one is posting about it. Saw a couple of pics..but nothing else about it.


Yeah, it probably wasn't on most people's must-hear list. Somewhat understandably so, because about the only way to get one is to buy from John or Earl or Don. Unless a couple other people have it, and I'm not aware.

Also, my hunch is that the newer Cavalli designs aren't as visible, because most of the discussion is in the DIY forums.
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM Post #88 of 154
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My name is Paul. It was nice meeting you too
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. Give me a shout when you next come up and we can have lunch in the studio.
-Paul



We would love to take you up on your offer. My name is Philip, and my girlfriend's (fiance's) name is Darcey.

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No worries, I'm terrible with names as well.
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PPAS is a 3-channel buffered design based on Tangent's PPAv1 amplifier. It uses LME49720/LME49710 opamps (identical to LM4562) and BUF634 on each channel. Power supply is JFET isolated has 660uF across rails and 100uF per rail afterwards. It's my favorite portable amp design.

I also built a little a trickle charger for the 9V inside there and included a power supply, just plug it in overnight when battery gets low. I can't remember exactly how long battery should last, but you can find out for yourself easily enough.

Enjoy



Pavel is your name (EDIT: I was way off in original post). I could tell you were a really good guy from our PMs, which made me want to contact you when I noticed you had posted that you would need a new ride to the meet...

The amp sounds VERY good. I no longer have my minibox-e+ for comparison, but so far I cannot recall how the minibox could have sounded any better (my thought currently is that the PPAS is better because I do not recall my headphones sounding this nice, but of course I cannot state such judgements without an actual AB comparison)... $10 in raffle tickets saved me $200 on buying a new amp. I hope I can return the favor someday.

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Thoughts on the headphones I listened to from the meet (this does not take into consideration the connected equipment. also understand that it was quite loud at the meet too...)

I love the Grado sound in general (meaning I didn't like every Grado I tried). I wish there had been a pair of MSPRO at the meet...

The AKG K1000 is special. It sounds fantastic. And the way it sits on the noggin is very comfortable. I would love to own a pair of these. This was my girlfriend's favorite pair (one of a few she actually liked) for two reasons: the sound, and comfort from not bothering the frames on her glasses. She was quizzing me later on the ride home if I could get her a pair. She didn't seem at all deterred at the price (until I started going on about the price of having a decent amp/dac to match). She was still still very interested though - good for me.

Senn HD800 sounded great. BUT I think I preferred the smoother sound coming out of the STAX at Blessing's rig (specifically the STAX headphone at the far right of his table - my favorite headphone I listened to at the meet). Cheaper too? Nice.

I found almost all of the closed headphones I tried to be too bassy (save the DT880, W5000, and one other I can't recall the name). I regret not getting more time with the W5000, as I would like atleast one good pair of closed headphones, and since I am already a fan of the AT sound...

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Many amps were beautiful. The squeezebox/transporter was very cool (love the display, and remote action).

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I regret not bringing some of my own CDs for testing, but everyone it seemed had libraries with some very common music I could test (ie. Pink Floyd).
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM Post #89 of 154
All,

Before Saturday, I hadn't ever been to one of these. I was met with a bevy of gracious hosts and was able to hear lots of nice sounding rigs from the affordable to the outrageous.

I didn't listen to everything but the Bottlehead rigs were far and away the most impressive to me. That killer tape rig probably had a lot to do with it.

Here are my impressions from the Bottlehead forum:

Best sound of show (IMO). Big Nagra rig with Tape Project Tapes + Tube Repro Head amp.

K1000's driven by Paramounts. (AMAZING)
HD600(650?) by sex upgraded iron (Very engaging)
HD800's by Professional Headphone amp (Hard to peel me away from this)
Quickie's for sale and for listen with Sennheisers (no Sex amp but still great)

Best, and thank you so much for coming,

Chris
 
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:11 PM Post #90 of 154
Some of my impressions from the meet. I know you can never get enough impressions on the Uber rigs that were there at the meet, but I'm gonna focus on the more affordable, "I can get them today if I want to" kinda gear that was there at the meet, well except the HF-2 that is.

First of all thanks to JP and all the other members who helped arrange and organize the meet, it was definitely a success, and a very good selection of hotel and rooms.

Note for JP: The Gilmore Lite you tried was on my rig, the USB to optical used was a TBAAM which is a bit perfect optical out (C-Media), so I don't think there wouldve been any effect on sound due to that. If anything it wouldve been because of the Glite or its PSU (Elpac).

Some of the other stuff I had thoughts on. I didn't like the Grado HF-2 at all, I tried it off a few different rigs, and with so many RS-1's present, there is really no reason in my mind to opt for the HF-2, you are much better off going straight to the RS-1. The sound is just not right on the HF-2, it sounds way too unnatural, the vocals seem to jump out, and I had to frequently adjust volume on some of the songs. RS-1's on the other hand sounded very good, nice and refined, if I had to pick on anything I'd say I would like a bit more bass, but I think thats just personal preference more than anything else.

I really liked the Denon D5000's, especially out of my current setup. I did a direct comparison of my Beyer DT770,Ultrasone 680,Shure 840 and Denon D5000 and coming out of Dacmagic+Gilmore I would rank them D5000>Shure840>Ultrasone 680>DT770.

I realized in this meet that the Gilmore Lite is not enough for the DT770, they really demand more and the more you give them the more the mid range comes out, else its just like a big U curve with bass and treble and recessed, unrefined mids.

The Ultrasone 680's are very underrated HP's on headfi IMO, they have a nice clean sound, but a bit lean on bass. I noticed that they sounded much better coming out of SOHA as opposed to Glite.

The Shure's are clearly designed to be very very comfortable, there's padding all over the place and its like you have soft pillows around your ears and on your head rather than headphones. They clearly have much better bass than the Ultrasones, but I was not impressed with these for rock and metal. They sounded very good for all other forms of music, but were slightly fatiguing for rock and metal.

The D5000's were very comfortable as well, they are huge, stick out of the sides quite a bit due to big comfy pads. These exhibit fantastic "twang" for music. I felt the D5000's really made the dynamic range and impact stand out in music, and it felt powerful. There is a slightly unnatural quality to the mids, which is not very obvious or annoying, but overall, one of the best closed HP's I've heard.

Just for kicks I tried the HD800 after all these and I was just floored. Even out of my humble rig, the HD800 just obliterates everything else. My wife felt the same and she told me she just felt like listening to it for longer cos they sound awesome. I tried a few random songs from Porcupine tree to Satyricon to Focal audio Demo cd's and everything I threw at it, just sounded right. It was very obvious that the Glite was the weak link here, since I heard the HD800's off some of the ohter rigs present there. But if any of you can afford the HD800's, just get them, they are fantastic, sound better than anything even on lower end rig like mine, and only get better as you move up.

I had yet another chance of trying the GS1000, this time out of Ipod->Wadia->Benchmark and was yet again very dissapointed. Please don't get offended, its just my opinion, the RS-1's HF-2's and even AD700's on the same table sounded better than the GS1000. Completely lean, thin, anemic, soulless, and one dimensional.

I also compared the Benchmark to the Dacmagic, and I honestly preferred the Dacmagic. If anything I would say the Benchmark offered a tad more detail, but the Dacmagic just sounds smoother and fuller to me.

As for AD700's, the hype surrounding them is fairly justified, but not completely. The build quality is pretty questionable IMO, the A700's definitely appear to be sturdier than the AD700. But sound wise for 70-80 bucks, they are definitely pretty good. If you can get past the ridiculous color scheme and cheap build, they are good for the price.

The other surprise was the "Budget" bottlehead rig, with Sony CDP, S.E.X amp and HD 497. I know the 497's are ok, decent for the price, but out of this rig I went "WOW". Really, it was a revelation. The cdp and headphones cost next to nothing at 100$ and 40$ respecitvely, yet they sounded very very good. It was really a showcase to show there's always value to be had even in the audiophile market, and throwing wads of cash into it isn't always necessary to get good sound.

Last but not least were the Audeze HP's. The demo rig he had setup made them sound very good. I find the build quality of the housing to be slightly questionable, and the plastic feels a bit cheap. The HP's are also quite heavy, and its apparently because of the drivers. For 400$ I think they sounded very good off his demo setup (which I don't quite remember correctly). But they didn't sound that good on my rig, not sure if it was the amp, I didn't follow up to find out more. I'll however consider it only if they improve the housing and plastics used.

Thats it for now, I'll post some more once I transfer some pics from my camera.
 

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