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post #76 of 208
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Originally Posted by nsx_23 View Post
Are the foam tips rubbish though?
I would not call them rubbish at all. They need to be using them on the International Space Station.

They were too small for me to get any seal and I needed to remove them. They turned out to be almost indestructible: the material and design of the inner sleeve of the tip made it almost impossible to remove with your fingers only.

That's why folks were (are?) breaking the earphones themselves. You'd have to exert an inordinate amount of force on the body/nozzle of the earphone to remove the tip with your fingers. I cut mine off with a razor... NBD.

I figure that the foam tip cost a few cents to manufacture. The earphones cost much more. I can't wait until I get the Future Sonic bi-flanges today by UPS. I had to use bi-flanges on my PL30s to get the best seal.

The phones sound incredible and are very comfortable with the Sony hybrids, too.

Just don't try to force or twist the foam off if it doesn't budge initially.
post #77 of 208
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I can't wait until I get the Future Sonic bi-flanges today by UPS. I had to use bi-flanges on my PL30s to get the best seal.

The phones sound incredible and are very comfortable with the Sony hybrids, too.
Hey Judge Buff - I have a question and a request:

1. Does FS charge shipping for ordering just the tips? I think they are $12 for a set of 3 pairs (which is a much better price then paying $9 or more for the Sony tips and only being able to use one pair due to size/fit)

2. Can you please report back on which ones you like better? I am debating whether to get the Sony tips next, or got some more FS tips (whic would work with 3 of my IEM's).

Thanks!
post #78 of 208
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Originally Posted by os2k View Post
Hey Judge Buff - I have a question and a request:

1. Does FS charge shipping for ordering just the tips? I think they are $12 for a set of 3 pairs (which is a much better price then paying $9 or more for the Sony tips and only being able to use one pair due to size/fit)

2. Can you please report back on which ones you like better? I am debating whether to get the Sony tips next, or got some more FS tips (whic would work with 3 of my IEM's).

Thanks!
I was charged $7 for shipping via UPS... $19 total. Three days to GA from PA. Coming this afternoon.

I really like bi-flange tips, os2k. It's my tip of choice. That being said, the hybrid tips I put on the PL50s yesterday were so comfortable that I woke up with them in my ears at 4 am this morning. Yeah, it's really stupid from a customer-service viewpoint for Sony to sell the hybrids that way. Done for profit, obviously.

If you can use the FS tips on 3 iems, I'd say go with them anyway, all things being equal. 3 for $19 is better than 1 for $9, right? If you have no direct experience with bi-flange tips, though, it's going to be trial and error. Heck, you could even find that you only like the bi-flanges with one of the three or none at all. You may need to grow accustomed to wearing them vs a single flange. I had to. I generally get a better seal in my right ear with them, but they must be "gel-like" for comfort.

I bought AI-M9's this morning for less than I paid for the FS tips. I plan on liking them a lot. Lol. I'll post my experience.
post #79 of 208
Judge Buff - Huh, I saw the price of the AI-M9's this morning, and I was tempted as well. I already received 2 sets of IEM's this week (the PL50 and the Brainwavz Beta) so I will wait before I buy more.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am currently using the FS tips from my FS1's on the PL50's and I like them. I also used them on my IM716 with great results.
post #80 of 208
Hey os2k... The FS tips are great also, but I think my hybrid tip actually seals better. The PL50 gets so deep by design that the bi-flange is overkill, imho. If you like the way they feel, though, go for it.

It's all good!
post #81 of 208
Are the PL50 tips pretty much the same as the PL30 tips?
post #82 of 208
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Originally Posted by nsx_23 View Post
Are the PL50 tips pretty much the same as the PL30 tips?
The quality of the tips is similar, if that's what you mean, but the nozzle diameter is significantly smaller on the PL50's.
post #83 of 208
My PL50's just arrived. I'm going to check the package now to see if everything is inside. I also need to clean my ears a bit first, but I'll let you know what I think about these in a few hours.
post #84 of 208
Ah well, it seems the seal with the foams is not sufficient. You seem right that these are hard to get off, first of all because they're damn slippery. Can anyone help me with a method to get these off unharmed? Can I use a bit of pressure?

PS: I've tried the Sensaphonics Seal Test and the 50Hz tone is not as loud as the 500Hz tone. Actually, I would describe the 50Hz tone as 'barely audible'.

EDIT: It could be that my ears are adjusting, but I think the bass is getting slightly stronger. But I have to push them in my ear further if I want to get the base response I want. Unfortunately that is too far for the tips to stay put. I really think I need to try the large silicone tips, but I still don't know how to safely remove the foam tips without damaging them or the earphone.
post #85 of 208
Splitting update:
My left earphone came completely apart (split open) today when I just pulled the earphone out of my ear.
I contacted FocalPrice for an RMA replacement. Hopefully FocalPrice/SoundMAGIC will take care of this issue because I really like the sound of these IEM's.
post #86 of 208
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Originally Posted by os2k View Post
Splitting update:
My left earphone came completely apart (split open) today when I just pulled the earphone out of my ear.
I contacted FocalPrice for an RMA replacement. Hopefully FocalPrice/SoundMAGIC will take care of this issue because I really like the sound of these IEM's.
damn - maybe I'm glad I haven't gotten around to purchasing these yet. This sounds like a common problem. Too bad since I was planning on definitely buying these. May have to think about the RE-2 again.
post #87 of 208
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damn - maybe I'm glad I haven't gotten around to purchasing these yet. This sounds like a common problem. Too bad since I was planning on definitely buying these. May have to think about the RE-2 again.

(has anyone compared these to the RE-2 yet? )
The RE2's are colder and brighter. The bass is much more subdued - you hear it more than feel it with the RE2's, but it is stll very accurate. The RE2's are also slightly forward in the upper mids and highs imo. I do think they're slightly more detailed, but I really hate that they were designed to be worn straight down as the microphonics are pretty bad (I have the old $99 version with the plasticky cord).
post #88 of 208
I will try to get the foam tips off the PL50 this evening. I just hope I don't de-core them. Although they might not seal perfectly, they are very comfortable.

Are the foam tips found in the zip-case the small and large sizes, or are they small and another set of medium tips? One of those pairs seems to be a bit wider, but I'm not really sure.
post #89 of 208
^ Good luck... My advice is to cut them off and look elsewhere for replacements. I would have needed pliers to get them off and I would not put the other foams on mine after I had to cut them off.
post #90 of 208
I managed to do it! Decore the foams that is.
I tried to take off the right side foam tip, but I had to put a lot of force into it to get the tip off. Unfortunately the core is still on the nozzle, so I'll need to cut that off with a knife.

I think the left side is going to be treated similarly. I will try to contact DealPerfect or SoundMAGIC and ask for the new tips which hopefully won't fit so tight.

There's also still a chance to split the PL50's. If that happens, what should I do? Ask for replacement, or a refund?

UPDATES: I managed to cut the cores from the foam tips off the nozzle and have already contacted Jack from DealPerfect concerning some new, upgraded, foam tips.

IMPRESSIONS: So far, I really like how these sound. The bass is definitely lower in quantity compared to my Canyon IEM's, but the PL50's treble and mids are way ahead. No competition, especially in the treble region. The downside of the silicone tips is that they sound a lot more neutral compared to the foam tips. The mids are still forward, but I find the foam tips to be more lively and that they give a more layered sound to the music. The silicone tips seem to 'blend' the music more. Comfort (especially with foam tips) is very good, nothing to complain in this area. These are a bit tricky to fit at first because they are so damn small and I have to get used to the over-the-ear wearing. I'm not going to comment on build quality yet, as there is still a risk of splitting them. But that is something time will (or will not) tell.
Overall, I really like these. They will undoubtedly be staying if the housing doesn't split. And maybe I can enjoy them even more if I get a new set of improved foam tips.
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