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post #421 of 678
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Don't and save money. As much as I hate to admit it after I have done extensive comparisons between different opamps I have to agree with ZombieX that there is no difference between them. I guess it was all in my head.

 

 

Wow... so all your opamp swapping and no sound differences between them. confused_face%281%29.gif

 

Thanks for the advice!

post #422 of 678
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Wow... so all your opamp swapping and no sound differences between them. confused_face%281%29.gif

Thanks for the advice!
I think it was all in my head. I heard differences but then i put stock opamps back in and after a couple days it sounded the same as any other opamp.
post #423 of 678

HI all,

 

I have some high end cans and I'm in need of a good SS amp (sometimes tubes are a hassle). The Phonitor seems a good option, but I confess that what attracts more about it is its crossfeed circuit. How good is it in the end? I listened to the youtube demo several times, but it doesn't seem that impressive at all. Maybe cause its just a youtube video and audio is very compromised? Or is it a good sample of its xfeed capabilities?

 

I'm between this amp and the V200, having already the V800 is giving some advantage to the Violectric.

 

Any help???

post #424 of 678

I can tell you that I think the Phonitor sounds fantastic with the V800-- but I haven't heard the V200, so I can't say much else on that matter. As for the crossfeed--have you ever used crossfeed before? I find it to be an excellent little feature that I wish more amps had, but note that, when used correctly, the effect it produces is mostly a subtle one--to be honest, I don't try listening for it much anymore. Granted, with the Phonitor, you can really exaggerate the effect and still make it sound pretty good thanks to the refined levels of control you have over the crossfeed, but for my purposes, tuning in a good crossfeed setting is not about making the music sound gobs better most of the time--instead, it's a way of just reducing listening fatigue and lending the headphones a slightly more natural, speaker-esque vibe. With a perfect crossfeed tuning on my HD650s, I often mistake the sound coming through my headphones for the sound of my desktop speakers--which is exactly what good crossfeed should do, I think.

 

What kind of music do you listen to mostly, by the way? I've found that for certain genres of music or certain albums that turning the crossfeed off completely actually results in a more enjoyable listen--and if your music collection largely consists of similar music, then you may as well go for an amp without the crossfeed function, particularly if it's considerably cheaper.

 

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HI all,

 

I have some high end cans and I'm in need of a good SS amp (sometimes tubes are a hassle). The Phonitor seems a good option, but I confess that what attracts more about it is its crossfeed circuit. How good is it in the end? I listened to the youtube demo several times, but it doesn't seem that impressive at all. Maybe cause its just a youtube video and audio is very compromised? Or is it a good sample of its xfeed capabilities?

 

I'm between this amp and the V200, having already the V800 is giving some advantage to the Violectric.

 

Any help???


Edited by metalsonata - 8/23/12 at 3:28pm
post #425 of 678
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I can tell you that I think the Phonitor sounds fantastic with the V800-- but I haven't heard the V200, so I can't say much else on that matter. As for the crossfeed--have you ever used crossfeed before? I find it to be an excellent little feature that I wish more amps had, but note that, when used correctly, the effect it produces is mostly a subtle one--to be honest, I don't try listening for it much anymore. Granted, with the Phonitor, you can really exaggerate the effect and still make it sound pretty good thanks to the refined levels of control you have over the crossfeed, but for my purposes, tuning in a good crossfeed setting is not about making the music sound gobs better most of the time--instead, it's a way of just reducing listening fatigue and lending the headphones a slightly more natural, speaker-esque vibe. With a perfect crossfeed tuning on my HD650s, I often mistake the sound coming through my headphones for the sound of my desktop speakers--which is exactly what good crossfeed should do, I think.

 

What kind of music do you listen to mostly, by the way? I've found that for certain genres of music or certain albums that turning the crossfeed off completely actually results in a more enjoyable listen--and if your music collection largely consists of similar music, then you may as well go for an amp without the crossfeed function, particularly if it's considerably cheaper.

 

 

 

That's exactly what I want in crossfeed, which I already use, but in a software solution, with goods results regarding to fatigue, but not on imaging. A little improvement on that matter would be greatly appreciated and if you sometimes mistakes the sound of your HD650s for speakers, that should be working great. I want that too!!

 

Thanks for your reply.

post #426 of 678
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Originally Posted by madbull View Post

HI all,

 

I have some high end cans and I'm in need of a good SS amp (sometimes tubes are a hassle). The Phonitor seems a good option, but I confess that what attracts more about it is its crossfeed circuit. How good is it in the end? I listened to the youtube demo several times, but it doesn't seem that impressive at all. Maybe cause its just a youtube video and audio is very compromised? Or is it a good sample of its xfeed capabilities?

 

I'm between this amp and the V200, having already the V800 is giving some advantage to the Violectric.

 

Any help???

 

 

The V800 and the Phonitor are okay combo but not great. Compare to my Apogee DAC, the V-800 bass was a bit anemic, and start to rolloff in the upper mid bass...this gives the sensation like the V800 is a bit hot on the treble.

 

I had the V-100 that was a cool fun amp on the bass side, maybe this will balanced out your V-800 better.

 

 

post #427 of 678
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

 

 

The V800 and the Phonitor are okay combo but not great. Compare to my Apogee DAC, the V-800 bass was a bit anemic, and start to rolloff in the upper mid bass...this gives the sensation like the V800 is a bit hot on the treble.

 

I had the V-100 that was a cool fun amp on the bass side, maybe this will balanced out your V-800 better.

 

 

 

 

Or maybe it's the other way around: apogee may be bass centric or oriented. I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of bass V800 provides, and don't think there's anything wrong about that.

 

The only reason I'm thinking about Phonitor is beucase of the xfeed. If it can even slightly emulate speaker imaging then it's allright to me. What are your experiences on that matter?

post #428 of 678
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Or maybe it's the other way around: apogee may be bass centric or oriented. I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of bass V800 provides, and don't think there's anything wrong about that.

 

The only reason I'm thinking about Phonitor is beucase of the xfeed. If it can even slightly emulate speaker imaging then it's allright to me. What are your experiences on that matter?

It really does work, but I will say you might not appreciate it right away. The effect can be subtle but you can set it up to copy the sound stage of your speakers pretty accurately. I notice it right away now, when you switch the crossfeed circuit on it can sound disorienting if you have been listening to headphones exclusively without it. When it starts to really shine is if you are listening for long periods or swapping between speakers and your headphones for whatever reason. I'd offer to let you listen to mine to help, but I may as well live on the moon haha.

 

In my experience it basically puts the image more in front of you, which seems like some sort of cheaty magic. For anyone wanting a fully transparent amp for long listening sessions or recording this is it IMO. Does it make your headphones sound like speakers? No. Does it help them image like them? Yes definitely.


Edited by Timmyw - 8/23/12 at 10:42pm
post #429 of 678
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Originally Posted by madbull View Post


 

The only reason I'm thinking about Phonitor is beucase of the xfeed. If it can even slightly emulate speaker imaging then it's allright to me. What are your experiences on that matter?

 

For me the Phonitor is all about sound transparency / resolution and dynamic. The xfeed is a very cool bonus and I'm agree with Timmyw experience, and there is more. I'll quote Bizkid here, about the center level...he got the best explanation without the need for you hear it.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/329765/spl-phonitor-new-reference-amp/15

 

Now the most interesting thing about the Phonitor, besides the crossover is the "center level" feature. This can help to tune headphones to taste.

We all know the problem. Compared to speakers, headphones in general have the middle (in soundstage) too upfront, easily heard in vocals and drums.
The Phonitor is using a technic called M/S where you separate the signal not into left/right, but into mono sum/stereo sum signals. That means the volume can be lowered ONLY for the middle signal without affecting the sides. You can turn down the mono volume from 0,3dB to 2,0dB. That helps nicely to give vocals, bass and drums some needed distance when listening to headphones.

Probably most people (me included) are used to listen to headphones the way they are, nevertheless I especially found that feature very nice and usefull.


Edited by Acix - 8/24/12 at 3:10am
post #430 of 678

I'm afraid I'm gonna enjoy xfeed so much there will be no way back to other amps :(

If at least it had a pre out :( do you guys think I could use the headphone out as a pre out?

post #431 of 678
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I'm afraid I'm gonna enjoy xfeed so much there will be no way back to other amps :(

If at least it had a pre out :( do you guys think I could use the headphone out as a pre out?

 

 

Maybe, I'll use the balance out on the back as a pre, but I'm not sure and never tested this option. What is the idea to use the xfeed on speakers?

post #432 of 678
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Maybe, I'll use the balance out on the back as a pre, but I'm not sure and never tested this option. What is the idea to use the xfeed on speakers?

 

no, on my tube amp.

post #433 of 678
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Maybe, I'll use the balance out on the back as a pre, but I'm not sure and never tested this option. What is the idea to use the xfeed on speakers?

 

The balanced out is an unaltered signal flow-through bypassing crossfeed, volume control and everything else. 

 

Indeed there is no sense in using crossfeed with speakers.

post #434 of 678

I bought me a Phonitor!!! beerchug.gif The black one!
 

post #435 of 678
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I bought me a Phonitor!!! beerchug.gif The black one!
 

 

Congratulations! beerchug.gif

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