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post #16 of 28
7/30/09 at 8:21pm
FYI, the nylon multifilament is felt like cloth. It has no fraying. One more thing is that you can see through the techflex, while you can't do same thing with nylon. The Techlex is expandable but the nylon is non-expandable.
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post #17 of 28
7/30/09 at 8:33pm
Too many unknown variables for me to choose yet. The nylon multifilament seems OK then. Wanting to re-cable a Creative Aurvana Live!, but don't know what cable would fit or if the nylon multifilament would work with what size cable. Then there's the actual "how to" of doing this. Is there guide somewhere about how to do this? Or is everyone keeping this a trade secret in hopes of getting paid to re-cable headphones?
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post #18 of 28
7/30/09 at 8:37pm
It depends on which cable you are going to use. I personally prefer the Mogami than any most other starquad cables. The only starquad cable that is better than the Mogami is Cardas 4x24 but it's also much more expensive.

The Mogami 2535 will fit the 3/16" nylon nicely. The same with the Mogami 2893 with 1/8" nylon, although it would be a more difficult job.

The "how-to" guides are all there in the DIY sub-forum. Spend some time there and you'll grasp all the "trade secrets".
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post #19 of 28
7/30/09 at 9:00pm
OK. I'm off to the DIY sub-forum to learn the trade secrets. Thanks for the info.
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post #20 of 28
7/30/09 at 9:12pm
No free trade secrets today. Took a quick survey of the DIY sub-forum and did not find a DIY guide for re-cabling headphones. The sticky on DIY interconnects looked somewhat related but overly complicated. I probably have half a chance of winging this and getting it to work. Just thought there might be a guide to this somewhere on Head-Fi. I suppose I could look elsewhere. But thanks again for the good info.
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post #21 of 28
8/3/09 at 3:06pm
oh man, i wish I had come across this thread earlier before I bought 150' of his wire.

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Originally Posted by Xan7hos View Post
I find navship wires incredibly stiff, comparable to solid core even though they are stranded
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post #22 of 28
11/6/09 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
It depends on which cable you are going to use. I personally prefer the Mogami than any most other starquad cables. The only starquad cable that is better than the Mogami is Cardas 4x24 but it's also much more expensive.

The Mogami 2535 will fit the 3/16" nylon nicely. The same with the Mogami 2893 with 1/8" nylon, although it would be a more difficult job.

The "how-to" guides are all there in the DIY sub-forum. Spend some time there and you'll grasp all the "trade secrets".
I am going to try using some nylon multifilament for the first time with Mogami 2893. Are you sure about the sizing that you posted? The OD of the Mogami is .189" 1/8 is .125. Does it stretch that much? I was going to get the 1/8 for the twisted pairs going to my headphones and then 1/4 inch for the main cable. I thought about squeezing into the 3/16th (.1875), but was going to play it safe. If you think all I need is 1/8 because it stretches enough, then I will save myself some money and just go with that.

Can anyone else confirm how much the multifilament stretches? Thanks!
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post #23 of 28
11/6/09 at 8:19pm
The Nylon has very little stretch to it, diameter-wise. It will somewhat stretch and shrink along the length of the tube, but you definitely can't expand it outwards the way you can techflex. On the other hand, it's far softer and less stiff, and doesn't burn nearly as quickly as techflex (if you shrink your heatshrink with a bic lighter). Definitely worth it for any cable that you'll handle often (i.e. headphone cable).

For the record, 1/4" Nylon will slide over Mogami 2534 just about perfectly. I haven't tried 3/16, but I don't think I'd want to try, especially not on a long length of cable.
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post #24 of 28
11/7/09 at 12:12am
Thanks. 3/16th should work for the 2893 then. I am going to get some 1/8th for my twisted pairs too, so I will experiment with the sizes and report back.
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post #25 of 28
11/7/09 at 3:43pm
The nylon multifilament is much less microphonic. I like taking the 2534, stripping it down, braiding it & covering in the nylon. I also use clear heat shrink at the split to the drivers.
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post #26 of 28
11/8/09 at 4:04pm
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The nylon multifilament is much less microphonic. I like taking the 2534, stripping it down, braiding it & covering in the nylon. I also use clear heat shrink at the split to the drivers.
I know it is a pretty common practice to heatshrink from the split, but wouldn't that make things pretty stiff?

BTW, what diameter multifilment do you use over the braid? Probably 1/8" since it is just the 4 bare wires?
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post #27 of 28
11/9/09 at 12:45am
Yes it does make it a little stiffer but its not that bad. I find that the clear heatshrink for some reason is more flexible. Another option that I find has a little better flexibility than the 2534 is w2552. Its a little bit thinner (25 or 26awg). Its pretty much the same wire. Some have said the clear wire sounds better than colored. I personally haven't heard a difference. I do hear a difference between the navship and mogami wire. navship wire to me sound a little brighter (probably because of the silver plated on the copper). I prefer the mogami (a warmer full sound). Navship wire is also stiffer than mogami, even if you get the thinner navship teflon only wire.

Yes, 1/8" to your diameter question.
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post #28 of 28
11/9/09 at 1:30am
I used navships 24 AWG SPC. I started with mogami 2894, and after stripping it, unwinding the string, cutting back the sheilding and accidently cutting the white wire along with the string, I got mad and quit for a week. I then braided up about 10 ft. of the Mavships wire I had. It sounds great and made a nice cable. If you search my threads you'll find a couple with good info. This was on a pair of 780s by the way.
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