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post #2311 of 2335
Am I being stupid or is it just nostalgia. I just put up a "For Trade" post.
I'm trading my full modded magnums for anyone's Grado Rs1i. I know in my head the Magnums are superior but I miss the sound or look or the rs1i.

Am I going to regret this? Or has anyone gone back to RS1i?
Or can someone who has both do some comparisons to refresh my memory?

Help!
post #2312 of 2335

In some ways, the RS-1 has more charm because it sounds rougher. The cheaper resonant wood (John Grado formulation) of the RS-1 also helps to color the sound in a nice way. I've heard several variety of Magnums and can understand where you are coming from.

post #2313 of 2335

I too, prefer my RS1 to my full modded Magnum SR 325.  I keep both of them and switch from each other occasionally.    Most of time I enjoy the RS1 more as it is lighter and I listen to pop only.  Most of my favourite pop songs were recorded poorly.  so you figure

post #2314 of 2335

Do you mind if you refresh my memory and tell me how they compare?  I'm thinking of repurchasing the RS1i again.

Bass (especially midbass), midrange and treble....& which is warmer to you?   thanks

 

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Originally Posted by samsie View Post

I too, prefer my RS1 to my full modded Magnum SR 325.  I keep both of them and switch from each other occasionally.    Most of time I enjoy the RS1 more as it is lighter and I listen to pop only.  Most of my favourite pop songs were recorded poorly.  so you figure


Edited by sling5s - 7/11/13 at 1:54am
post #2315 of 2335

I think RS-1 has  more pronounced slam bass, mid range is warmer, more open sound stage, but not as detail as the Magnum.  

 

RS-1 is lighter and a bit more comfortable (both of them are not very comfortable)

post #2316 of 2335

Thanks.  If I remember, is the the RS1 still more shouty or shrill than the Magnums.  I think that was the selling point for the Magnums.

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Originally Posted by samsie View Post

I think RS-1 has  more pronounced slam bass, mid range is warmer, more open sound stage, but not as detail as the Magnum.  

 

RS-1 is lighter and a bit more comfortable (both of them are not very comfortable)

post #2317 of 2335

true!! in a enjoyable way.  This is Grado , what do you expect? You,d better go for a Senn if you do not need the slam bass and excitement 

post #2318 of 2335

I think what i miss most about RS1 vs Magnum is the RS1 and it's resonance that it produces in the mahogany chamber.  It's a very unique sound.  But I hesitate because of the shoutiness and shrill that it also produces.  

post #2319 of 2335

In this case, you should go for  Magnum drivers with large wood cups.wink_face.gif


Edited by samsie - 7/12/13 at 6:10pm
post #2320 of 2335

Not just the mahogany chamber that produces the resonance but the Grado driver itself causes a lot of air to flow through the chamber unlike the Magnum drivers.  I don't know why that is but the Magnum drivers has very little air flow through the cups compared to the Grado RS1i driver.  

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Originally Posted by samsie View Post

In this case, you should go for  Magnum drivers with large wood cups.wink_face.gif

post #2321 of 2335

Well after owning Grado RS1 (many variations for many many years) and recently owning the Magnums for couple of years now i can say the following:

 

The Magnums are cleaner sounding, little less on the shrill and brightness but treble more extended.

The bass on the Magnums are more extended but less punchy because it lacks the midbass hump.

 

The RS1 has a deeper soundstage.  The Magnum has a wider soundstage.

The RS1 has more punchy and snappy bass because of the midbass hump and treble.  More fun factor. 

 

I think the RS1 are better for rock than Magnums.  But that's a personal preference. 

I think the Magnums are more genre friendly.  It's tamed highs and extended bass make it more flexible.

 

All in all, the Magnums are definitely more detailed and transparent but the RS1 more colored and euphonic.

 

Conclusion:

I think if your a Grado lover and had to choose only one headphone and need a reference headphone, I would say Magnums.

But if you own other reference headphones like LCD-2 or HD800, or even JH13, I'd say get the RS1 because it may not be as refined or balanced, but it's what Grado is all about.

 

I applaud Rhydon for trying to improve on the RS1(i) but in doing so, it's hard to do without taking away some of the characteristics that make the Grado RS1(i) enjoyable and fun.

Having said that, I'm not sure he was looking for the RS1 sound because more than the Magnums being an ultra refined RS1, they are an ultra refined 325is.

 

But this is all my own personal taste mind you. :) 

 


Edited by sling5s - 8/5/13 at 3:40pm
post #2322 of 2335

@sling......have you ever heard the hf2? If not, I'd suggest you give them a whirl. You've already heard/owned the rs1i's it sounds like and your apprehensions about going back are warrented/justified ime. You will have the same reaction to the upper end as you seem to have had prior. Unless you want to fork over the $ for a vintage set which are not as colored. Unfortunately they are overpriced for sure on the used market and so I can't recommentd it. And regarding magnums, I will beat this drum once again and offer the experience of mine that says there is wide variation in drivers, so 'your set' is not the be-all end all or last word as to what a 'magnum' sounds like. Not that it matters in your case/search but just a reminder to others to be wary of any one sound-field report regarding what a 'magnum' sounds like. But the one thing that is consistent is that they are less thrashy and peaky in the top end. Another way to think of it is in terms of a presence/resoultion ratio. Presence meaning thrashy/hot top end and resolution meaning solid/smoother/coherent. All the mags i've heard have a higher resolution/less thrashy sound that I for one prefer over all grados save the hf2. I wish I could say the same for the midrange and mid bass of the mag but there are oddities in both although if you try many sets of drivers you could find some that had a mellow midbass hump.........You may also try the ps500 but unless you REALLY enjoy the bass hump, i wouldn't recommend them. They are a bit smooother and less peaky throughout mids and up top though......but that's where the hf2 comes in, it's a better ps500 imo with a more modest bass hump, and real nice mids and treble. The only issue is a little messy/disorganized bass (on the two sets i've owned in any case). But overall they are THE GRADO for those who like grado but not the peaky/thrashy top end. In any case, good luck and remember the old saying about never being able to go back home again. We tend to recall the + aspects of our past and disregard the reasons we ventured onward.

post #2323 of 2335

btw, when purrin ssays the rs1 sounds' rougher'. i do believe that's what i'm calling overly present and not resoloved/smooth enough.....although he seems to be citing that quality as to what he prefers while for others that quality is what turns them off.......to each his own of course. I like to try and define that aspect of the grado sound though so at least it can be talked about and presence/resolution is a good way to get a handle on the various grados and how they differ from other makes of phones......


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 8/5/13 at 11:34pm
post #2324 of 2335

I have tried two Magnum V4 drivers.  And I had the HF-2 for a short period.  The HF-2 midbass was not fun at all.  It was just too much.  It was like a fog over the whole sound spectrum.  I want midbass but I want it tight and punchy.

The RS1 just does that the best.  Better than Magnums and HF-2. 

But I do understand what you are saying.  :) 

post #2325 of 2335

yes, one has to eq out the hf2 hump a bit to get it into rs territory which is a more lean sound.....the problem with the overly persent grado (if it is a problem) is that is something that cannot be eq'd out. It's woven right into the sound. (because it's not just about 'too much' high end'. Grado presence is a kind of gnarly, subtle distortion. like the presence knob on an old marshall amp for those familiar with such a thing)...........Having heard about 40 sets of grado/magnums at this point I can say I haven't found one that hits all the right notes, including vintage rs1's. It's a tricky headphone design/lack of design I suppose....but so many other headphones are even further from what I consider adequate in terms of dynamics and attack.......for those who listen to more modern and/or digital music there seem to be plenty of decent phone choices because the requirements of a certain kind of naturalness are not needed, because the music is unatural in a way it doesn't need the stringent demands of real instrumentation/dynamics. It can be artificial, unatural etc and still please to that type of listener. The grado is for old style sound and has that extra demand placed on it imo which makes it harder to dial in given all the other requirements that still need to be met over and above it's unique requirements if that makes any sense......


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 8/5/13 at 11:40pm
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