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post #31 of 290
7/12/09 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by MaZa View Post
XP with SP2 was already very solid though not perfect, but Vista has never crashed with me,
Crashing of the whole OS has largely been a user problem since NT4, except for the occasional crappy OEM drivers and games released early (hi, EA).
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I'm quite amazed with it after little tweaking was done. So, why should I update to Win7 when it comes out? Im interested what makes it so much better that people are almost raving about it?
That some of us had other options than Vista with which to compare. If you're happy with Vista, don't worry about it.

I had my hopes, and initially figured it was just people resisting change, as it was when XP came out (I had been running NT4 for gaming, and had just moved to Win2k, so I knew how much BS all that was ). It's not that there is one glaring problem with Vista. It's that bad project management led to many small problems through the whole user experience, despite there being many good technical advances. On top of that, XP was still a fine OS, and some of us had more options than just those.

So you can take crap out of it: can you replace the networking configuration? How about the desktop display configuration? Those are just the two that come to mind immediately, being the first and most used that I noticed upon venturing into Vista, where MS was apparently getting high on some good stuff, instead of realizing that more UI layers and more modal dialogs are bad...very bad. Dealing w/ Xorg isn't 1/10th the level of frustration (ALSA is another story).
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post #32 of 290
7/12/09 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
Window Shake? What, praytell, is window shake?
If you have windows 7, try grabbing a window and shaking it about a bit.

If not...

Click.
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post #33 of 290
7/12/09 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
why choose you simply dual boot. XP for compability issues. And I suspect some games will simply just run faster on it.
Why dual boot when you can run a seamlessly integrated XP VM? "XP Mode" is a new feature in 7.

Edit: The free XP Mode requires Pro or Ultimate and the VM is preconfigured. I will have legitimate access to both versions for free but that's an unfortunate requirement for those that have to pay for it.
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post #34 of 290
7/12/09 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by cerbie View Post
Crashing of the whole OS has largely been a user problem since NT4, except for the occasional crappy OEM drivers and games released early (hi, EA).That some of us had other options than Vista with which to compare. If you're happy with Vista, don't worry about it.

I had my hopes, and initially figured it was just people resisting change, as it was when XP came out (I had been running NT4 for gaming, and had just moved to Win2k, so I knew how much BS all that was ). It's not that there is one glaring problem with Vista. It's that bad project management led to many small problems through the whole user experience, despite there being many good technical advances. On top of that, XP was still a fine OS, and some of us had more options than just those.

So you can take crap out of it: can you replace the networking configuration? How about the desktop display configuration? Those are just the two that come to mind immediately, being the first and most used that I noticed upon venturing into Vista, where MS was apparently getting high on some good stuff, instead of realizing that more UI layers and more modal dialogs are bad...very bad. Dealing w/ Xorg isn't 1/10th the level of frustration (ALSA is another story).


Oh, I love XP. I have used it since it first came to market. I have been Vista user for few months only, mainly because I wanted DX10. Vista was bit frustrating at first, but luckily you can alter the basic interface to very XP like. (hell, I still use classic style interface even. I used Windows 95 to 2000 for years, and that still feels most comfortable and fastest for me.) Networks are not my area of expertise so I dont know what is wrong there.

I admit that altering Control Panel (Hell, I still instinctively look for add/remove programs, why change that!?) when and Display Configuration menus were bad moves, but I got used to them so thats not too big issue. Microsoft obviously forgot that less is more when they designed Vista, but technically it is great OS now that the bugs are been ironed out.


So, again, I am interested that how Win7 is better? What is changed and how it differs from Vista? Interface, perfomance, easy to use, everything.
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post #35 of 290
7/12/09 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
Window Shake? What, praytell, is window shake?
Try grabbing the title bar of a window and shaking it and seeing what happens.


[spoiler]It minimizes all other windows[/spoiler]
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post #36 of 290
7/12/09 at 4:18pm
I really like 7, but from a technical standpoint, I feel it's kinda obtuse. Also, widgets or gadgets or whatever they call them are fairly annoying to write when you compare them with systems like konfabulator or the OS X dock, but that's just my humble opinion.

It's really great how much they've optimized it, though, when compared to Vista. I'm very much hoping this becomes the new XP. This comes from a Mac user, PC tech, btw.
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post #37 of 290
7/12/09 at 4:25pm
They basically refined Vista. XP didn't desperatey need a replacement, and developers were not shy in trash-talking management, when Vista started getting bad PR.

There was a great deal of good stuff done under the hood, with Vista, so it's not like they had to reinvent the OS--just find better ways to organize things, and have fairly sane defaults (except for some Microsoftian idiocies, like still defaulting to hiding file extensions: why?!).

The next step: non-crappy vendor OS installs, and a fiery death to McAffee (*sigh* I can dream...).
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post #38 of 290
7/22/09 at 5:00am
i have a great experience with windows 7 except using external DAC or USB audio codec. I encountered glitch/distort/jitter sound from time to time when the windows 7 is writing data. either 64 or 32 bits are the same. I tried post in windows 7 forum but no help. another guy post on my thread also have same issue.
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post #39 of 290
7/22/09 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by ztsen View Post
i have a great experience with windows 7 except using external DAC or USB audio codec. I encountered glitch/distort/jitter sound from time to time when the windows 7 is writing data. either 64 or 32 bits are the same. I tried post in windows 7 forum but no help. another guy post on my thread also have same issue.
Yeah I get this too, via digital out. I also have issues with codecs and whatnot, but this is probably just due to the unfinished nature of the OS. The full release will probably fix it.
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post #40 of 290
7/22/09 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
Yeah I get this too, via digital out. I also have issues with codecs and whatnot, but this is probably just due to the unfinished nature of the OS. The full release will probably fix it.
This is Microsoft we're talking about? I admire your optimism.
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post #41 of 290
7/22/09 at 9:32am
I installed Windows 7 yesterday and all was well until I got to installing the drivers for my videocard. A ATI HD 4890. When I rebooted my screen went blank. Neat stuff. So after 10 years of knowing the EDID issue ATI doesn't make drivers that would work around this and there are still monitors which are being made which give the wrong info. Very sad moment. I'm testing with Vista and XP now and if that doesn't work either I think I'll return the card and give up on ATI for the rest of my life.

Windows 7 - to get back on topic - is very nice though. It boots faster than any Windows version before it. Also, the GUI is somewhat better than versions before, but frankly it still doesn't work. You will still have to make your own changes before it's actually useable. For the rest I don't really know yet, because my videocard stopped working...
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post #42 of 290
7/22/09 at 1:08pm
Running Win. 7 since yesterday aswell... Got my wireless and everything working besides my creative SB! Anyone got some 'drives?

Btw, I'm running this on a 2.8GHZ P4 with 512mb ram... Rofl ... No crashes yet!
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post #43 of 290
7/22/09 at 2:31pm
I took a chance and replaced my main OS with Windows 7 RC as soon as it came out without setting up dual boot or anything of that sort. So far I've been very satisfied. I've not had trouble with any software yet, and games work fine as well. I generally back everything up so I'm not too keen on retaining stuff when I move to final, I'll just do a fresh install. But I'm getting 7 for sure, its really good.
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post #44 of 290
7/22/09 at 7:53pm
Anyone using AVG-free antivirus with it?
Also, Anyone using Magic Jack phone with it?

If it doesnt run those, i wont be using it on my main system.
Maybe on a laptop, or dual-boot.

What about Winamp? Zune? Ipod? Alien Dac? As long as my applications work.
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post #45 of 290
7/22/09 at 8:01pm
Vista 64 user here. Tried the beta for a week early on, quickly uninstalled it. Maybe they improved the driver and program support for older gear (EMU 1212m wouldn't work) since then but I'm not really tempted to give it another shot. Vista 64 works fine for me. Maybe I'll switch over in a 1-2 years when I replace my current desktop.
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