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post #3271 of 4545
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Originally Posted by LazBro123 View Post

it's about quality, not quantity. A 20mm driver can demolish a 50mm driver, if the 20mm driver is better quality.


That's very true, but a lot more goes into sound than just the driver.

post #3272 of 4545

Yes it's just like quality in wire and cables,  a lot of the times the quality of the wire trumps anything to do with gauge.

post #3273 of 4545

The only thing I ever knew that was ever different about the versions (HFI- 15g) was the color of the letter printing on the outside and I have read some things about the cable length being different.  All I know is that when you put a lot of hours on these they really start to shine.  I was talking about the q460's for faster music, I have yet to try the 451, but from what I have read from publication such as WhatHifi?  they seem to be an even better headphone?  I would might like to try them someday to hear for myself.
 

post #3274 of 4545
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Originally Posted by ekolite View Post

Yes it's just like quality in wire and cables,  a lot of the times the quality of the wire trumps anything to do with gauge.


I meant things like driver angle, cup shape, dampening, material resonance, open vs closed/position and size of openings, pads, driver type, driver doping, and probably 100 other things.

post #3275 of 4545

Yeah I was just doing a fun comparison with size and quality.. with thickness in wire vs the actual quality of the wire itself.  You can get better performance in a "smaller package" with almost anything audio.  Just depends on parts and build.  And wiring deserves to be on those 100 other things, IMHO, cause it is a part of the headphone after all.
 


Edited by ekolite - 7/12/12 at 1:06am
post #3276 of 4545
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Originally Posted by lilboozy View Post

Is it possible for a headphone with a 30mm driver to be better than a headphone with a 40mm driver or is it just plain impossible?

That's like asking if an IEM with less drivers can be better than one with more.

 

Most definitely a resounding yes.

post #3277 of 4545
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Originally Posted by Emospence View Post

That's like asking if an IEM with less drivers can be better than one with more.

 

Most definitely a resounding yes.

An IEM with less drivers CAN be better than one with more.

 

I just don't get why everybody thinks more is better. It has been said times and times again in hundreds of posts.

 

 

More doesn't always equal Better.

 

I hope I emphasized this enough.


Edited by Xinn3r - 7/12/12 at 9:32am
post #3278 of 4545
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Originally Posted by ekolite View Post

The only thing I ever knew that was ever different about the versions (HFI- 15g) was the color of the letter printing on the outside and I have read some things about the cable length being different.  All I know is that when you put a lot of hours on these they really start to shine.  I was talking about the q460's for faster music, I have yet to try the 451, but from what I have read from publication such as WhatHifi?  they seem to be an even better headphone?  I would might like to try them someday to hear for myself.
 

Since I brought it up...
There was at least a report of a sound difference but I couldn't tell you where now:)

Similar to the KSC75 which has a bit different back changing the tuning a bit...

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vs.

ULHFI15G.jpg

Shorter cable and the housing back change from smaller slots to the triangles.

Only theory as one maybe two reports is not enough to confirm. I haven't heard either myself :) and I doubt we will ever get enough impressions of fully burnt in old and new 15g's compared(and opened up) to ever say more than a possible/not confirmed difference. You would think they tweaked the housing construction to give some improvement other than aesthetically but maybe not. Come to think of it, I can't recall which was deemed slightly better sounding. It may have been the older one.

 

I, in total fairness, didn't double check about the versions before my first post. If Joker reviewed the same version then it could well be the amount of hours on them that made a difference or other factors.

post #3279 of 4545
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Originally Posted by Xinn3r View Post

An IEM with less drivers CAN be better than one with more.

 

I just don't get why everybody thinks more is better. It has been said times and times again in hundreds of posts.

 

 

More doesn't always equal Better.

 

I hope I emphasized this enough.

Kind of a psychological effect, maybe..

post #3280 of 4545

Fantastic work you have don here! Great reading!

post #3281 of 4545

Hi joker, I'm thinking of getting the Vmoda M80 or V80 and would like to know if they are actually the same phone with a different colour combination. With the present new offering from other brands, is the value rating the same as you have initially rated them. I think I'll like the sound signature as what's been described by you but would appreciate if you could let me know if there are sets that have the same sound signature for lesser money.

 

Between the ATH-ESW9 and the M80/V80, which both have a upper mid emphasis based on what I have gathered from some reviews, which one of them would be able to avoid sibilance better? Is there any similarities between them?

 

Thanks in advance joker and to anyone who can help with some insights.


Edited by Leo888 - 7/15/12 at 3:02am
post #3282 of 4545
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Originally Posted by Leo888 View Post

... I'm thinking of getting the Vmoda M80 or V80 and would like to know if they are actually the same phone with a different colour combination....

 

 

That's correct. Can't help you with the rest of questions, though... rolleyes.gif

post #3283 of 4545
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Originally Posted by putente View Post

 

 

That's correct. Can't help you with the rest of questions, though... rolleyes.gif

Ok, thanks for the info putente. Will wait for further inputs from others who has experience with them before deciding.  

post #3284 of 4545
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Originally Posted by Arvan View Post

Fantastic work you have don here! Great reading!

 

Thanks!

 

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Originally Posted by Leo888 View Post

Hi joker, I'm thinking of getting the Vmoda M80 or V80 and would like to know if they are actually the same phone with a different colour combination. With the present new offering from other brands, is the value rating the same as you have initially rated them. I think I'll like the sound signature as what's been described by you but would appreciate if you could let me know if there are sets that have the same sound signature for lesser money.

 

Between the ATH-ESW9 and the M80/V80, which both have a upper mid emphasis based on what I have gathered from some reviews, which one of them would be able to avoid sibilance better? Is there any similarities between them?

 

Thanks in advance joker and to anyone who can help with some insights.

 

As far as I know they are the same thing except for the designs/color combinations.

 

I have not heard any new top-tier portables since I reviewed the M-80.

 

The M-80 does not really have much of an upper midrange emphasis and avoids sibilance very well. The ESW9 does have more treble energy overall but I didn't  think it had a particular predisposition to sibilance either. Overall, the ESW9 is less skewed towards the lower half of the spectrum than the M-80 but both are reasonably well-balanced headphones.

post #3285 of 4545

i'm still on the hunt for some on ear phones, tried the akg k450's which were "nice"

 

I currently have the sennheiser hd25 i 11 (pro edition) & 70ohm

 

while there are a lot of things to like about the sennheisers, i still am not 100% satisfied with the sound produced

 

I've tried them amped (fiio e11) and un-amped and through the same source - iphone 4, i've even re-ripped some of my music into loss-less to get a better (than 320kbps) quality.

 

Bass on the senn's are what I could describe as superb, mid's very very good, just seem a little recessed (imo), treble on the odd occasion could best be described as a little harsh.

 

I listen to mainly edm, from the last 16 years or so, which is my preferred music taste

 

Ideally i'd like something very close to the senn's with the same base, slight improvement on the mids and certainly a not so harsh treble - the treble varies per recording, hence re-ripping some of my music to try and help

 

what else could there be to try and get the best possible set of phones? I'd want supra-aural as well

 

I have listened to v-moda m80's - which were fairly decent, but open to more suggestions

 

thanks

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