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post #1681 of 4545

I have Denon AH1100, can I request for your impressions and add this on the list? Is it considered a portable headphone? Thanks a lot!

post #1682 of 4545

I am glad you experienced the same thing as me. The one I had was bought from an official reseller.

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I found the esw9 bass to be soft (in terms of feel, not volume). It also had a bit of resonance to it similar to the Phiaton MS400 which would make some outside noises seemingly louder. I figure it is also due to the isolation which does not cut out all frequencies evenly, so those parts of the spectrum that don't will feel amplified.

 

The fake esw9s that I've seen seemed to share the same overall shape and were even made of wood, so chances are they would have a similar isolation/resonant characteristic.

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Having been following this great thread for months (years?), there is only one point I could dare to suggest that could improve its usefulness: adding a sistematic rating about  the need/benefit of amping the reviewed sets, and how they fare when fed directly from a portable player (say an iPod or the Sansa you seem to use as standard review gear).

 

Now there are multiple comments on that here and there on the text of many of the reviews, but it's a pain to find, collect and compare them when considering candidates for shopping decission.

 

At least, for example, it could help positioning each can on one of this three categories:

  • Can be driven from any normal portable source without noticeable (or significant) degradation of their sound performance.
  • Reasonably driven from any normal portable source with decent/good sound quality, but it benefits significantly from dedicated amp, putting it in another level of performance.
  • Forget about driving it unamped, you are throwing money down the sink.

 

That could be done in the form of a separate rating value, or even better perhaps as separate rating for sound quality amped and unamped.


This is a good idea in theory and one I have considered several times. However, it is not practical for one major reason - there will always be someone saying 'Joker, you only tried them with amps A, B, C, and D. What you should have done is used amp Z, perhaps with DAC Y and preamp X. Oh and your cable choices are all wrong'. A simple breakdown like the three-tier one you illustrated will work as well but there are no headphones of type 3 ("Forget about driving it unamped") in this thread. I have excluded the ones that fit into that criteria that I've run into (e.g. Ultrasone PRO 2500) on purpose. I really do try to always mention amping if I feel that it makes a noticeable difference and even that always elicits complaints from both sides of the isle. Just look back to when I posted the ATH-M50 review - a dozen posts saying amping makes a bigger difference than I mentioned and two dozen saying that an amp is completely unnecessary. 



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Originally Posted by kingice10 View Post

I have Denon AH1100, can I request for your impressions and add this on the list? Is it considered a portable headphone? Thanks a lot!

 

Yes, it is portable. No plans to review one at this time. There's a list of planned reviews a half-dozen pages back or so.
 

post #1684 of 4545
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Yeah that sounds good.  Like in the IEM reviews when there is a bit about whether the phone needs an amp.


Good point though I bet that could increase the workload of the review a good amount.

 

@Joker

 

Funny you mentioned the Pro2500.  That was...an interesting phone.......

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This is a good idea in theory and one I have considered several times. However, it is not practical for one major reason - there will always be someone saying 'Joker, you only tried them with amps A, B, C, and D. What you should have done is used amp Z, perhaps with DAC Y and preamp X. Oh and your cable choices are all wrong'. A simple breakdown like the three-tier one you illustrated will work as well but there are no headphones of type 3 ("Forget about driving it unamped") in this thread. I have excluded the ones that fit into that criteria that I've run into (e.g. Ultrasone PRO 2500) on purpose. I really do try to always mention amping if I feel that it makes a noticeable difference and even that always elicits complaints from both sides of the isle. Just look back to when I posted the ATH-M50 review - a dozen posts saying amping makes a bigger difference than I mentioned and two dozen saying that an amp is completely unnecessary. 

 


Actually, the only thing I am really interested in is how they sound unamped 'cos I am too cheapskate to buy an amp and even if I can afford it probably won't want to carry a portable amp no matter how small.  So just how they sound unamp and your normal set up.

post #1686 of 4545
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Actually, the only thing I am really interested in is how they sound unamped 'cos I am too cheapskate to buy an amp and even if I can afford it probably won't want to carry a portable amp no matter how small.  So just how they sound unamp and your normal set up.


I think it's safe to read my reviews from the unamped portable source perspective unless stated otherwise (e.g. Denon DN-HP700).

post #1687 of 4545

Just wanted to say: Thanks joker for your gift of Meelec M9 IEMs!

post #1688 of 4545
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^ If they were M9s then I grabbed the wrong box.

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^ If they were M9s then I grabbed the wrong box.



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post #1690 of 4545

LOL sorry, I meant the M11s.

post #1691 of 4545
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Ah okay, so I didn't switch boxes. Welcome tongue.gif

post #1692 of 4545

okay cheers.  =]

post #1693 of 4545

I had the legit ESW9 and I thought it had an atrocious sound. Then again, I'm not a fan of overwhelming warmth, sooooo...

 

Thanks for the XB700 review. I owned those awhile back and they were an overall fave for a LONG time until I got my DT990s.

 

Then the D7000 came around, and all was forgotten. biggrin.gif

 

Ironically, I really wanna pick up a pair of XB500s for work use. I demoed them for an hour with my Zune and music, and was really digging their ridiculous sound for the price. Too fun. I'm not sure I'll bite just yet though.

 

OMG, somebody get the Ultrasone Pro 2900.... I REALLY need these to be reviewed and compared to the Pro 900.

 

Then again, none of these are exactly portable.

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I had the legit ESW9 and I thought it had an atrocious sound. Then again, I'm not a fan of overwhelming warmth, sooooo...

 

Thanks for the XB700 review. I owned those awhile back and they were an overall fave for a LONG time until I got my DT990s.

 

Then the D7000 came around, and all was forgotten. biggrin.gif

 

Ironically, I really wanna pick up a pair of XB500s for work use. I demoed them for an hour with my Zune and music, and was really digging their ridiculous sound for the price. Too fun. I'm not sure I'll bite just yet though.

 

OMG, somebody get the Ultrasone Pro 2900.... I REALLY need these to be reviewed and compared to the Pro 900.

 

Then again, none of these are exactly portable.

The problem here is that the ESW9 are closer to a natural sound than anything else, they are middle ground from neutral to warm...so when you say overwhelming warth, I again question if you had a real model.  the phiaton ms400 is really warm, the HD 25 is closer to neutral, but the esw9 is middle ground, its a woodie, its not supposed to be warm sounding.  
 

post #1695 of 4545

To you they may be slightly warm. From the many description and reviews (including here on Head-fi), warmth was pretty much universally used to identify the ESW9. I gave them a chance anyway. They were definitely mid rich, but I just hated the headphones. Hated them. The same way I'd more than likely hate the HD650. It's personal preference. I don't think they were bad, just bad FOR ME.

 

Same as the K701. I found their sound terrible for music. I just didn't like it's tone. I don't think they were bad either.

 

Can't win them all.

 

I buy all my new headphones from authorized dealers.

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