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post #556 of 629

I had the same experience as Skylab with these headphones. Some recordings that have an overemphasized treble sound hot, but you can't really fault the headphones for that. The HD800s actually sound great on less than stellar amplifiers, tried it with my EF1, even with that it sound very impressive.

 

As always a very well written review :)

post #557 of 629
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Originally Posted by FrederikS|TPU View Post

I had the same experience as Skylab with these headphones. Some recordings that have an overemphasized treble sound hot, but you can't really fault the headphones for that. The HD800s actually sound great on less than stellar amplifiers, tried it with my EF1, even with that it sound very impressive.

 

As always a very well written review :)


I agree, I think HD800 can easily sound 'good' even out of a cheap amp. Myself for example, use Little Dot mk4 SE, which I think already sounds superb- though the treble is slightly too pronounced at times and I can hear some sibilance.

I ordered a pair of supposedly warmer sounding tubes (Mullard m8161), hope it will improve the sound even further!


Edited by kwang411 - 5/10/10 at 7:30am
post #558 of 629

I also preferred a warm sounding tube with the HD800s, the RCA cleartop was a tad too bright in combination with the EF1 -> HD800 combo.

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Originally Posted by Stoney View Post

I was intrigued by this statement: "If one owns a pair with the large 6.3k peak (not all people's HD-800s measured with such a strong peak) which makes the sibilance on tracks more noticeable".  Has it been shown that some HD800s are *not* bright?   Is it random, or have Senn "fixed" it? 

 

My experience is limited, but I heard 3 or 4 pairs with multiple cables and sources and amps at the San Francisco meet recently.  I wanted to like them.  For comparison I had my own HD650s and tested a couple of more recent vintage.  Brought my own music and cable.  

 

On the Beta22, the HD800 was clearly too bright (best diagnosed using voice), and on all other systems they were *unacceptably* bright.  Not too much *upper* treble, but too much lower treble such that the midrange sounded hollow and thin.  Voices sounded so much more accurate on HD650, but without the many spatial, extension, and detail refinements so obvious in the HD800... aside from that obvious brightness.  Voices were just unrealistic, crispy and in some cases chesty (is there a lower-midrange peak?), with some voices literally unlistenable.  They were bright in the sibilance range, but I would not claim that the sibilance effect was created by the Senns.... just forced and forward.  

 

All this "they are too good" talk reminds me of folks that don't want to recognize a flaw in their favorite component.  May not be true for you, but I'm just sayin'... ;^)  I wish I could find a pair that isn't bright... anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wanna invite me to listen?  

 

I remember PJ trying his HD800 side-by-side with another member's at a meet and finding that his own was noticeably brighter. The previous owner of my HD800 found that mine were smoother than the ones he had heard at meets. So yes, there is some variation in production. I guess I'm lucky that I don't find the HD800 to be sibilant, even with the stock cable, unless the recording really is hot in the treble.

 

That being said, what you're describing is a result of physiological differences, since you tried several pairs of 800s on several amps. I think you just happen to be more sensitive to the slight lower treble emphasis of the 800s than others, especially if you think that voices sounded natural from the 650s but not the 800s. The other thing I can think of is that you were using a bright source (in that treble region), but the former is more plausible and likely.
 


Edited by Shahrose - 5/10/10 at 2:34pm
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I remember PJ trying his HD800 side-by-side with another member's at a meet and finding that his own was noticeably brighter. The previous owner of my HD800 found that mine were smoother than the ones he had heard at meets. So yes, there is some variation in production. I guess I'm lucky that I don't find the HD800 to be sibilant, even with the stock cable, unless the recording really is hot in the treble.

 

 

 

That variation could actually be seen in the FR graphs Senn itself provided with the headphones.  One can debate how audible the differences would be, but there were quite definitely differences.  Not that this isn't true with every other headphone ever made...
 

post #561 of 629

I listened last 2 hours and I have same comment like your review. Treble is too dominating. Mid is OK. Bas precise but shiny - no kick. Good soundstage. HD650 is more musical piece of headphone. I tried it with NuForce icon HDP. I have 20 years of experience in Hi-Fi business and if i compare this with reference speakers like B&W 800D or Focal Pro monitors than I will never give this amount of money for it .

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by wolfinho View Post

I listened last 2 hours and I have same comment like your review. Treble is too dominating. Mid is OK. Bas precise but shiny - no kick. Good soundstage. HD650 is more musical piece of headphone. I tried it with NuForce icon HDP. I have 20 years of experience in Hi-Fi business and if i compare this with reference speakers like B&W 800D or Focal Pro monitors than I will never give this amount of money for it .

 

 

 

 


That's your main problem right there.

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Originally Posted by wolfinho View Post

I listened last 2 hours and I have same comment like your review. Treble is too dominating. Mid is OK. Bas precise but shiny - no kick. Good soundstage. HD650 is more musical piece of headphone. I tried it with NuForce icon HDP. I have 20 years of experience in Hi-Fi business and if i compare this with reference speakers like B&W 800D or Focal Pro monitors than I will never give this amount of money for it .

 

 

 

 

 

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That's your main problem right there.


I've mentioned before that the Icon HDP is not optimal for the HD800, and it can sound bright with that amp with some music, especially with the stock cable.  The Luxman P-1u, Eddie Current ZDT or maxed Woo WA6 are all great sounding with the HD800 (in order of best to least), and ALO Amphora is close behind in 4th but still ahead of the HDP.  

 

Now, with HD600 I think the HDP is a much better match than with my HD800, so I can see why you'd like the HD650 with it.

post #564 of 629
Balanced Beta22 and HD800's are in no way bright... that is of course if your source is up to snuff. I've loving the combo!
post #565 of 629

The thread where people posted their graphs is here:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/454258/frequency-response-certificate-for-your-hd-800

 

The first two graphs are radically different.  Makes me wonder how inconsistent other headphones are.  Would add to the reasons for people's different impressions.

post #566 of 629
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Originally Posted by FrederikS|TPU View Post

The HD800s actually sound great on less than stellar amplifiers, tried it with my EF1, even with that it sound very impressive.

 


I agree. Mine sound good with a range of modest rigs, and spectacular with the two genuinely high-end setups I've heard to date. Sufficient power and non-agressive ancillaries seem to be key here. Nice to know anyway that some budget amps/sources work well -- smooths out the spending curve a bit.

 

best,

 

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post #567 of 629

i dont get it.
Why dont they make them all to sound the same?
Or is it the impossible,i mean whats the point of making different sounding headphones of the same model?

Quote:Originally Posted by Currawong

The thread where people posted their graphs is here:
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/454258/frequency-response-certificate-for-your-hd-800
The first two graphs are radically different. Makes me wonder how inconsistent other headphones are. Would add to the reasons for people's different impressions.

 

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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post

i dont get it.
Why dont they make them all to sound the same?
Or is it the impossible,i mean whats the point of making different sounding headphones of the same model?

Quote:Originally Posted by Currawong

The thread where people posted their graphs is here:
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/454258/frequency-response-certificate-for-your-hd-800
The first two graphs are radically different. Makes me wonder how inconsistent other headphones are. Would add to the reasons for people's different impressions.

 


The resolution on those graphs seems questionable.

post #569 of 629

I haven't said this much and I know some hate the cable discussions but switching to a big copper Headphone  recable did two things over here.  It opened them up feeling more warm and full(bigger sound) and less shrill but, big but, it did sacrifice some of the transparency, which I love on the HD800s.  The stock cables(silver plated?) sound thinner and a bit more abrasive but as above has that benefit of more transparent for sure.  So if you want to soften them up that does it.  I like them both ways but I usually listen for extended sessions and it is much easier with the copper and i rarely get the stock ones back on there anymore now that I have readjusted.


Edited by dallan - 5/14/10 at 12:34am
post #570 of 629

Skylab, I enjoyed reading your impartial review of this headphone.  I know that you are not a fan of the W5000, however I'd be interested in your impressions of the way the HD800 and W5000 reproduce treble.  Did you find the W5000's treble "hotter" or more "peaky" than the HD800's?  I understand that you will be relying on memory for both phones.

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