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post #151 of 629
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean View Post
Relax john53, I’m sure every member here has had one or several posts ignored at some stage, I know I have.
If you had looked at Skylabs signature, it would have told you what amps he has and doesn’t have.
Ok,forget about the amp,i just have this feeling and i wanted to mention it.Of course it's logical that several posts will be ignored,there is no doubt about it.But I don't know if you understood what my point was.
It's not about the amp and it's not that i want people to reply me every time i ask something.(neither me reply everything and everytime somebody asks something)
post #152 of 629
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
I think it is also worth noting that many HD-800 owners do not come from the same group of headphones Skylab used in his comparison. I've listened to the JVC and DT990. They didn't do much for me.

I know this is a matter of taste. However, the HD-800 is a superb fit with the headphones and speakers I've chosen. Many of the same criticisms could be made against the rest of my collection.

So it is important to put the review in context. Not just the ownership question, either. If your tastes run towards closed, bass-heavy headphones, the HD-800 probably won't be to your liking. On the other hand, if you enjoy electrostats, the K-1000, orthos, planar speakers, and the like, the HD-800 is a direct hit and nearly faultless.

Bassheads have their cans. The HD-800 is for the rest of us.
Good point, Uncle Erik. Hadn't thought of the fact that we might be able to roughly divide the population of head-fiers into two separate populations -- bass-heads and others -- with expectations that are very different. Clears up a lot of the muddle. Reminds me of Ockham's razor and keeping theories as simple as possible. The cans remain constant, but the users clearly stand on one side or the other, divided not by the innate quality of the cans but by their own tastes. So when we evaluate cans, we're not really evaluating the cans but how we're reflected in them. So it really comes down to my likes vs. your likes. This explains why passions and emotions boil over when people's favorite 'phones are put down. "Attack my cans and you attack me!" Food for thought.
post #153 of 629
It's sad for me to say... but some of us still need and use this duality view to feel better.
post #154 of 629
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Good point, Uncle Erik. Hadn't thought of the fact that we might be able to roughly divide the population of head-fiers into two separate populations -- bass-heads and others -- with expectations that are very different. Clears up a lot of the muddle. Reminds me of Ockham's razor and keeping theories as simple as possible. The cans remain constant, but the users clearly stand on one side or the other, divided not by the innate quality of the cans but by their own tastes. So when we evaluate cans, we're not really evaluating the cans but how we're reflected in them. So it really comes down to my likes vs. your likes. This explains why passions and emotions boil over when people's favorite 'phones are put down. "Attack my cans and you attack me!" Food for thought.
That's why i always say that people should try the audio gear themselves before buying,so they can have their own opinion.
I've never felt though that if somebody says that my cans or my audio gear is crap,he is attacking me.I know what i like and that doesn't change if somebody else doesn't like it.
post #155 of 629
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
I recommended skylab(in another thread) to try out the x can v8 and i didn't get any reply.It is just not very kind to ignore newcomers this way.I know i'm not so experienced like some other members but i think i deserve a reply when i ask something.
It's not nice to ignore opinions by newcomers just because they don't have THE experience with expensive high end amps and cans,and don't listen to super high quality recordings(jazz,classical etc)
Sorry if i sound a bit bad with this post,but sometimes i feel that if somebody doesn't have too much experience with hi end stuff,his opinions don't count here.
john53, you're not alone in your concerns. You're right. It really is rude to not acknowledge someone's contribution in a discussion. And it's especially rude when a comment that's addressed to a person is ignored. I can only imagine how many great ideas haven't seen the light of day simply because no one thought to follow up on a comment or respond to a person's suggestion. The only suggestion I can make is to not give up and continue to share your thoughts and ideas.

I'm not defending rude behavior, but when someone like Skylab doesn't respond, it's almost always because he didn't see your message. It's easy to miss them when there are so many. I think you'll see that most Head-fiers like Skylab with thousands of posts are dedicated to the hobby and are passionate about sharing it with others. If they see your message, they'll almost always respond. Time and again, I've seen them patiently respond to questions that they've faced hundreds of times, all in the interest of helping a noob.

I'm nowhere near a thousand. At the rate I'm going, it'll take me 5-10 more years to reach 1K. But the one thing that I'm sure about is that those with posts in the 4-5 digit range are here for the long haul and look out for noobs.

Based on your posts, though, you seem to be very knowledgeable and far from being a newcomer. You make fine distinctions in lows and highs -- not just in decibles -- and you're exploring the impact that different amps have on SQ. This means you have a lot of insights to share, and if you continue to do so, others will definitely be responding.
post #156 of 629
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
john53, you're not alone in your concerns. You're right. It really is rude to not acknowledge someone's contribution in a discussion. And it's especially rude when a comment that's addressed to a person is ignored. I can only imagine how many great ideas haven't seen the light of day simply because no one thought to follow up on a comment or respond to a person's suggestion. The only suggestion I can make is to not give up and continue to share your thoughts and ideas.

I'm not defending rude behavior, but when someone like Skylab doesn't respond, it's almost always because he didn't see your message. It's easy to miss them when there are so many. I think you'll see that most Head-fiers like Skylab with thousands of posts are dedicated to the hobby and are passionate about sharing it with others. If they see your message, they'll almost always respond. Time and again, I've seen them patiently respond to questions that they've faced hundreds of times, all in the interest of helping a noob.

I'm nowhere near a thousand. At the rate I'm going, it'll take me 5-10 more years to reach 1K. But the one thing that I'm sure about is that those with posts in the 4-5 digit range are here for the long haul and look out for noobs.

Based on your posts, though, you seem to be very knowledgeable and far from being a newcomer. You make fine distinctions in lows and highs -- not just in decibles -- and you're exploring the impact that different amps have on SQ. This means you have a lot of insights to share, and if you continue to do so, others will definitely be responding.
feifan,thanks for your nice words.I thought it again and maybe I shouldn't have made this post.Those members(like skylab)are really busy and it's absolute logical to miss some posts.
I just wanted to share this opinion though,i felt like doing that.

Skylab,sorry if i was rude,i know that you are very experienced and you make nice reviews,you seem to love this hobby very much.

I want to say that i really like listening to music,and this hobby,too,and i'll be very careful in the future with my thoughts about audio equipement.
post #157 of 629
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
That's why i always say that people should try the audio gear themselves before buying,so they can have their own opinion.
It's a simple rule, and we should all follow it. But that may not be possible or practical sometimes. In lieu of firsthand experience, we have forums such as Head-fi where we can get a sense of the quality of different equipment vicariously, through the experience of others. I'm a coward about making decisions. I'll research as much as I can -- and reread everything several times -- before I reach a decision to buy. If I have any doubts, I remain on the fence post.
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
I've never felt though that if somebody says that my cans or my audio gear is crap,he is attacking me.I know what i like and that doesn't change if somebody else doesn't like it.
That shows your maturity -- not so much chronologically as emotionally. Age is no guarantee of maturity -- I think I saw that in a head-fier's signature.
post #158 of 629
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
feifan,thanks for your nice words.I thought it again and maybe I shouldn't have made this post.Those members(like skylab)are really busy and it's absolute logical to miss some posts.
I just wanted to share this opinion though,i felt like doing that.

Skylab,sorry if i was rude,i know that you are very experienced and you make nice reviews,you seem to love this hobby very much.

I want to say that i really like listening to music,and this hobby,too,and i'll be very careful in the future with my thoughts about audio equipement.
Nah, don't be too polite. Tell it like it is. Don't hold back too much. People here have thick skins!
post #159 of 629
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
It's sad for me to say... but some of us still need and use this duality view to feel better.
x2
post #160 of 629
^^Have you guys finished, lets get back to ridiculing each other
post #161 of 629
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Nah, don't be too polite. Tell it like it is. Don't hold back too much. People here have thick skins!
I just tried to think myself in Skylab's position and i think that he must be very busy with all these people asking questions,that's why i said i shouldn't have posted that.
I think it's good to be polite if you can(ok sometimes maybe not so much)
It's something i feel is missing nowdays(especially here in greece)
post #162 of 629
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Originally Posted by Sanderman View Post
...that no one ever seems to comment on what is probably the most immediately noticable aspect of this phones performance out of the box - specifically related to soundstage and imaging within that stage. While the soundstage is strikingly immense it seems to be paralleld by two other immediately noticable caharcteristics. Vocals and instruments in the foreground are rendered quite large. And images in that stage seem to suffer slightly for their size and spread in terms of reduced image densitiy. Rather than hearing lead vocals being presented with tactile palpability and density they seem to be presented with an empashasis on size and texture instead.
Joe
Yes, i also notice this slightly little 'too' large soundstage (for my taste), sounds like what vcoheda described by 'diffuse' might be the more precise term, if I understand your description correctly.
post #163 of 629
I agree with the "basshead" thoughts, having gone through a pair of Denons. I can say I don't think about the bass on the HD-800s, if that makes any sense. It's neither thin, nor thick, nor any particular description for me. It just does stand out because of adding to or subtracting from the music, unless you really do prefer the punch of DX1000s or the like.

I was trying to find a word for the soundstage. Cavernous came to mind, but caverns are enclosed and have echos. The only similar thing I can think of is a stadium. "Stadium-like" sounds a bit silly though.
post #164 of 629
You've posted another good review and I must say reviewing these things are damn hard, especially to untrained ears like mine, but it reads well, makes a lot of sense and should be helpful to any potential buyers.

Keep up the gr8 work and I agree, don't be too polite, tell it like it is...
post #165 of 629
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post

sillysally #125 [bass, mids, highs fine]
Nice rebuttal feifan.

Not to split hairs but the word I used to describe everything except for the very high treble , is wonderful. And as far as the very high treble gos, its as good as anything i have heard in a headphone.

For home theater the HD-800 is as close to having a very nice speaker and amp setup, as I have heard.
And yes I am very picky about audio and video quality. I am a DIY ISF calibrator.

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