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post #271 of 362
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Originally Posted by Lejnoss View Post
I got my PL50 today. I have trouble with getting them to fit good though. The problem is that I am unable to get a good seal with any of the different sized silicone tips. The sound is really thinny and they aren't that comfortable either. Before these, I used a pair of CX300, and with those there was no problem for me to get a good seal.
Is there any secret trick with the PL50's to get them to fit good? Am I supposed to put the silicone tips all the way down the nozzle, or just half the way?
With the foam tips that was on them they sound decent, but I would prefer to use the silicone tips. I only got one pair of foam tips and some strange bi-flanges that are too big to fit the PL50's nozzle..
The tips have to go all the way down the nozzle; the bump is just there to help keep the tip from falling off.

I recently purchased a set of Sony Hybrid tips at Best Buy (on Joker's recommendation). The fit/seal far better than any of the stock tips, and seal and sound better than the Shure silicone tips that I tried.

Also, it was absolutely crucial for me to equalize the PL50 on my Fuze. No way around it for me. However, once they are equalized correctly (using a pink noise file), they really do sound fantastic to my ears. Some may think this is not worth it, or even scoff at the thought of using eq-ing, but, IMO, it turns these IEMs into something that's not just tolerable, but (absolutely) well worth the investment.
post #272 of 362
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Originally Posted by TopPop View Post
The tips have to go all the way down the nozzle; the bump is just there to help keep the tip from falling off.

I recently purchased a set of Sony Hybrid tips at Best Buy (on Joker's recommendation). The fit/seal far better than any of the stock tips, and seal and sound better than the Shure silicone tips that I tried.

Also, it was absolutely crucial for me to equalize the PL50 on my Fuze. No way around it for me. However, once they are equalized correctly (using a pink noise file), they really do sound fantastic to my ears. Some may think this is not worth it, or even scoff at the thought of using eq-ing, but, IMO, it turns these IEMs into something that's not just tolerable, but (absolutely) well worth the investment.
I'm interested in your EQ settings. I also use my PL50's with a Sansa Fuze and I'm currently using the Jazz preset, because I can't seem to get them just right myself.
I am also using the supplied M-sized tips and am thinking about ordering some Hybrids after hearing about them.
I'm not using RockBox at the moment. I've recently installed the latest FW (.28) for the Fuze and the RockBox mkamsboot doesn't currently support this version.
post #273 of 362
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Originally Posted by Belabor View Post
I'm interested in your EQ settings. I also use my PL50's with a Sansa Fuze and I'm currently using the Jazz preset, because I can't seem to get them just right myself.
I am also using the supplied M-sized tips and am thinking about ordering some Hybrids after hearing about them.
I'm not using RockBox at the moment. I've recently installed the latest FW (.28) for the Fuze and the RockBox mkamsboot doesn't currently support this version.
I don't have it with me right now, but I can post it later today. Keep in mind that these will be based on using an LOD to an E5 with the bass boost on, however.
post #274 of 362
My eq settings are the following:

0 - 1 - 3 - 7 - 10

I realize that this is some pretty heavy eq-ing, but this is what sounds linear to my ear with pink noise... and sounds very natural with music!

Again, keep in mind that I'm using an LOD to a Fiio E5, which has bass boost on.
post #275 of 362
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Originally Posted by TopPop View Post
My eq settings are the following:

0 - 1 - 3 - 7 - 10

I realize that this is some pretty heavy eq-ing, but this is what sounds linear to my ear with pink noise... and sounds very natural with music!

Again, keep in mind that I'm using an LOD to a Fiio E5, which has bass boost on.
Thank you. I don't think I can use these settings without an E5, however. But it does show that heavy EQ'ing is needed for the PL50 with the Fuze. At least I was not wrong in that department.
post #276 of 362
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Originally Posted by Belabor View Post
Thank you. I don't think I can use these settings without an E5, however. But it does show that heavy EQ'ing is needed for the PL50 with the Fuze. At least I was not wrong in that department.
You definitely weren't. The thing is that not all headphones/earphones can take this kind of eq-ing without sounding bloated or harsh in the region that is boosted. The PL50 really can take it, though, and everything ends up sounding very natural without any ill effects.

P.S. I would recommend downloading a pink noise file to put on the Fuze. I fiddled around for far too long trying to get a decent eq with music, and it just wouldn't work. The pink noise is much easier, and yields better results. Simply set the volume at a normal listening level for music, and then put the pink noise track on repeat. For each band, adjust the level so that it has an equal amplitude with all of the other bands.
post #277 of 362
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Originally Posted by TopPop View Post
You definitely weren't. The thing is that not all headphones/earphones can take this kind of eq-ing without sounding bloated or harsh in the region that is boosted. The PL50 really can take it, though, and everything ends up sounding very natural without any ill effects.

P.S. I would recommend downloading a pink noise file to put on the Fuze. I fiddled around for far too long trying to get a decent eq with music, and it just wouldn't work. The pink noise is much easier, and yields better results. Simply set the volume at a normal listening level for music, and then put the pink noise track on repeat. For each band, adjust the level so that it has an equal amplitude with all of the other bands.
I've downloaded a pink noise file and am experimenting with it right now, but I'm not really sure what I am doing. I don't know where to start.

I tried to get the volume of all bands about the same, which resulted in V-shaped settings, but I'm not really sure if I'm doing this right. Could you help me, or should I find some information about this myself?

EDIT: 6 - 7 - 5 - 8 - 10 is what I use now. Not taking the lower frequencies in account, I think I'm really getting somewhere.
post #278 of 362
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Originally Posted by Belabor View Post
I've downloaded a pink noise file and am experimenting with it right now, but I'm not really sure what I am doing. I don't know where to start.

I tried to get the volume of all bands about the same, which resulted in V-shaped settings, but I'm not really sure if I'm doing this right. Could you help me, or should I find some information about this myself?

EDIT: 6 - 7 - 5 - 8 - 10 is what I use now. Not taking the lower frequencies in account, I think I'm really getting somewhere.
I think the best way is to just keep the file on repeat, and then do the following:

1) Begin with one of the extreme bands (lowest or highest), and work your way up or down, as the case may be.

2) Close your eyes, so that you won't be influenced by what you "think" the level "should" be.

3) Move the band to a high level, and slowly bring it back down, and stop at the point that it's not prominent above the other bands, but that you can still hear it clearly.

4) Move to the next band, and do the same thing.

5) Repeat the process at least two more times (may need more), to double-check and triple-check the levels, and be patient with it.
post #279 of 362
Finally I was able to get a decent seal. I have to twist and press them upwards for some time and they aren't really comfortable, but they sound pretty damn good. Would you say that the sony hybrids make them more comfortable as well?
post #280 of 362
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Originally Posted by Lejnoss View Post
Finally I was able to get a decent seal. I have to twist and press them upwards for some time and they aren't really comfortable, but they sound pretty damn good. Would you say that the sony hybrids make them more comfortable as well?
Well, they should give you a better seal, that's for sure. It sounds like your tips aren't long enough, though, so I don't know. Always depends on one's ears.
post #281 of 362
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
Well, they should give you a better seal, that's for sure. It sounds like your tips aren't long enough, though, so I don't know. Always depends on one's ears.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Never had this problem before, and I have mostly used really low budget headphones (CX300 being my most expensive ones). However, all of them that I can remember, was easier to get into my ear and more comfortable. Well, I might give the hybrids a shot.
post #282 of 362
It's taken so long to receive these (5 weeks and counting) and some negative impressions have come out in the meantime (tough to get seal, not impressed w/sound, saw a post somewhere else about excess glue on the outside and that the screen fell out, ...). Seems like these may be another FotM. I'm kind of regretting getting these now - hope they hold up to daily pocket use.
post #283 of 362
Ordered mine on Saturday, and they already sent me a shipped email.
If this is true, it should get here within 2 weeks. Maybe they were low in stock before?
post #284 of 362
Saw that ClieOS recommended Jays silicone sleeves, anyone else has tried these with the pl50? Can get these for about the same price as the Sony hybrids, but with the Jays I would get four of the same size.
post #285 of 362
Should I consider these if I have the X10? Who ships them faster? I see Mp4 has it 52.00 shipped, but to wait for a month, ah no.
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