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If I didnt like the sound of a headphone after 5 minutes, I'd move it on as well.  Especially true if its a used/broken in pair.   I don't know why anyone would waste their time letting their ears get "used" to the sound.  I agree that the momentum is a waste of time for me, and it took me less then a minute to make that call.  

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I don't relate to the 600 or 650 being harsh with certain instruments, but in turn not many people can relate to how fatiguing they are for me. It probably has to do with their midbass and (way too warm) midrange. Really takes the life out of me. But I have always thought the 880 to be a superior headphone. Much cleaner sounding across the spectrum.

Regarding the fatigue of the HD 600 and HD 650, I'm pretty sure it's not actually the bass hump. I think it's actually the silver acoustic film as some reason it bothers my ears. I had a chance to listen to an older version of the HD 650 with the black acoustic film and I had no fatigue. I have a DT 150 which has just as much midbass as the HD 650 and it's bass doesn't fatigue me at all and the thing is closed-back. I actually found the HD 650 really clean, though I did find the DT 880 cleaner sounding. The HD 600 on the other hand sounded too woolly to my ears, just doesn't jive well with my ears, sounded much less refined than the HD 650 and it was the drivers as swapping drivers and using different drivers on each side confirmed the HD 650s drivers sounded clearer.


Edited by kman1211 - 7/26/15 at 10:52pm
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If I didnt like the sound of a headphone after 5 minutes, I'd move it on as well.  Especially true if its a used/broken in pair.   I don't know why anyone would waste their time letting their ears get "used" to the sound.  I agree that the momentum is a waste of time for me, and it took me less then a minute to make that call.  

 

 

Actually it only took me a minute too, but I didn't want Shaffer to think I hadn't given them a fair go.  :p

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If I didnt like the sound of a headphone after 5 minutes, I'd move it on as well.  Especially true if its a used/broken in pair.   I don't know why anyone would waste their time letting their ears get "used" to the sound.  I agree that the momentum is a waste of time for me, and it took me less then a minute to make that call.  

We were discussing burnin and buying used headphones that were not burned in. DT880 in particular. Not sure what you're talking about.
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That's my only reluctance with buying Sennheiser HD600 is the plastic build quality and tighter clamp than the DT880. I really want to own the HD600s so then I can say I own three reference grade headphones and I can offer more comparisons.

 

I also liked the sound signature of a few HD600 setups I have heard. There is that "euphonic" Sennheiser sound that can draw you in. I'm interested though in having the HD600 mostly as a compliment to my DT880. The Alpha Dogs are more resolving than both but don't have the benefit of being open and lightweight and cheap.

I wouldn't let it deter you from buying them. You can easily get replacement parts for Senn's HD6x0 series, and the plastic they're made of isn't actually bad, its just that compared to Beyers, they feel a bit behind. Oh, also, the HD650's doesn't clamp as tight as I remembered the HD600's to do, or that might just be my imagination 

 

Absolutely, I just love the musical nature of the HD6x0's. I have yet to try the Alpha Dogs, but I would really like to. 

 

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I'm not too familiar with the 650s, but with the 580-590-600s Sennheiser seemingly smoothed out / slightly rolled off the mid treble range where human hearing is very sensitive, without sacrificing too much detail.  (The 600s are the best of the three imo, due to slightly more bass extension, but the difference is not great.)  The result is, bad digital audio becomes listenable, yet high quality / high rez digital still sounds very good.  A well thought out design for many purposes.  880s do not have that mid-treble roll off and bad digital gives that fingernails on chalk board sound.  But your "more air on top" comment is the whole ballgame for me, since I'm a classical listener.  I just can't use them for mp3's. 

Its the same story with the HD650's actually, and to a greater extent. Thats why many people find the HD600 to be a "safer" headphone, the HD650 may be too dark and laid back for some. 

 

Actually, I'm just going to leave a mini-comparison of the Beyers and the Senns here. Feel free to use this for other threads if you want to:

 

HD650 vs DT880

 

Build quality: DT880 > HD650

Beyers hands down. Metal construction, leather headband, just feels better in the hand. 

 

Comfort: DT880 > HD650

Close call, but ultimately the DT880's edges it just a bit due to its lighter clamp and softer pads. However, since the the HD650's clamp tighter, they do stay on your head better. 

 

Sound: 

Bass: HD650 > DT880

The bass on the Beyers extends a tad bit deeper and is extremely tight. The bass on the Senns is emphasized in the mid-bass region, giving everything more impact. This is nice for drums and kicks. The Beyers sometimes feel like they lack impact. In terms of texture, the HD650's have better texture in the bass, but its an extremely narrow margin. 

 

Midrange: HD650 > DT880

This is where the HD650 excels. Vocals (especially male vocals) sound weightier and have more authority to them. The midrange on these is just gorgeous. Its noticeably more forward than the Dt880's, and AB-ing them will make the DT880's mids sound thin and recessed (they're not). Stringed instruments, pianos, etc sound wonderful on the 650's. The 650's mids are also smoother than the Beyers. The DT880's mid on the other hand are dead neutral, they're very organic and aren't really emphasized. When paired with SS amps, the mids might seem slightly recessed. 

 

Highs: DT880 > HD650

The treble on both of these headphones is terrific, but I'd give the edge to the DT880's due to the treble being extremely clean and extending all the way up there. The DT880's also have more air, making them more suitable for certain genres (will get to that later). DT880's can get fatiguing after a while. HD650's treble is extremely smooth, doesn't quite have as much air though. Im almost tempted to give this to the HD650's, but it would be unfair to the Beyers. 

 

Soundstage:

Width: DT880 > HD650

Height: HD650 > DT880

Depth and accuracy: HD650's by quite a large margin. 

Imaging: HD650 > DT880 again, the Senns just have pinpoint, laser-like imaging. 

 

Realism and timbre: Simply put, the HD650 feels more natural. Both of them sound extremely convincing and realistic, but the HD650's do edge the Beyers in this regard by quite a narrow margin.

 

Transparency: The most important aspect for me. If a headphone is grainy and isn't transparent, its a big no in my book. Luckily, both of these are grain-free and quite transparent. The HD650's also edge the Beyers here. It honestly doesn't feel like wearing headphones any more, you're just lost in the music. 

 

Genres: 

Classical/Orchestral: DT880

Jazz: HD650

Trance: DT880

Vocals: HD650

Reggae: HD650

Drum and Bass: DT880

Hip-Hop/Rap: HD650


Edited by xkonfuzed - 7/27/15 at 3:24pm
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are the pads on the 650 deeper than the beyers? wondering if my ears will touch on the hd650 or hd600. 

 

edit: just got fed up with it and rolled up a paper towel long ways and shoved it around under the pads then forcefully bent back the head band on the pro quite a bit. clamp is a lot less, put some space between the pads with the paper towel in there... sound stage feels larger but that could just be me hopefully this fixes it. oddly it's just the right ear. 


Edited by iamxLn - 7/29/15 at 8:55pm
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If I didnt like the sound of a headphone after 5 minutes, I'd move it on as well.  Especially true if its a used/broken in pair.   I don't know why anyone would waste their time letting their ears get "used" to the sound.  I agree that the momentum is a waste of time for me, and it took me less then a minute to make that call.  

We were discussing burnin and buying used headphones that were not burned in. DT880 in particular. Not sure what you're talking about.

 

 

I believe he was responding to this post of yours. Surprised you didn't realize that:

 

 

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Perhaps not that fascinating as who would want to listen to phones they didn't like for more than a few minutes, an hour at most? I've bought used phones too assuming they were burnt in and found otherwise. OTOH, I bought a new on-ear Momentum, listened for 5 minutes and sold it. Not worth persevering.

No, I'm not surprised that you're one of the folks who'd sold headphones after listening for 5 minutes.
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are the pads on the 650 deeper than the beyers? wondering if my ears will touch on the hd650 or hd600. 

The HD650 pads are shallower, but the shape of it contours your ear, so you should be fine

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Oww, that hurt!!

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Oww, that hurt!!

Not everything in life is a war. It was meant to tell you to stop taking this thread OT.
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Aye, aye, Sir!

 

'Tention! Sergeant on parade!

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