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You can save a little bit by going for Vintage DT880/600's from the 1980's (Look for them particularly on ebay.de) - should be less than 1/3 the price of current models - also the Revox 3100 and Revox Synergy (Rebranded beyer DT880/600 pro and standard respectively).  If you read through the threads on headfi - you will find comparisons of the 80's DT880 to the current models - and the 80's versions are frequently preferred. (you may want to read the Vintage Beyer thread)

 

There are also other top HP's from the 80's that are worth a listen and can be purchased for reasonable $$$ (mostly pro studio monitoring headphones!) -  such as AKG K240, K340, (best found on ebay.de - make sure you get the 600ohm models, bargains can be had for the K240, K340 are still a bargain given their performance, but starting to be a collectors item) also Koss Pro4x (best found on ebay.com). The Koss is almost completely forgotten nowadays and I remember it as being competitive with the DT880's when I worked in audio in the mid 80's. (I have a set being delivered this week I hope! - then I will post a review)

 

I am happy with my M-Stage, and if I was focused on a working system (not wanting to tweak and mess about) - I would order it with the Class A OPA627 mod (with the resistors mounted directly to the OPA627 adapter) - if you want to experiment, order the class A socket, and the OPA627 adapter seperately.

 

With the OPA627-ClassA you are effectively getting a Lehmann Black Cube Linear (almost identical circuit) with an upgrade.

 

Alternative is also the LovelyCube (this is more of a complete Lehmann Black Cube Linear copy) - this one is more suited if you are into more intense DIY - some of the DIY'ers claim it sounds better than the M-Stage - Others have heard them both and said they sounded the same.

 

I Have the Firestone Cute Curve (which is class AB not Class B as the websites say), I compared it stock to the M-Stage, it was very close but I felt the M-Stage was better. (I had the Cute Curve running with an OBH2 Creek power supply - so upgrade from standard, and the M-Stage running stock OPA2132)

 

I have since tested the Cute Curve with the Class A upgrade mod (same as M-Stage) - and with various opamps, all I can say is that it works and sounds good - beyond that requires extended listening, and I am still doing extended listening tests with the M-Stage - the Cute Curve will get its turn later.

 

Cute Curve comes standard with OPA2604 - I fitted the 2604 to my M-Stage and compared over several hours to OPA627 / HA3-2525 - the other two opamps sounded better than the 2604 (all were running in class A mode) - and I think I preferred the OPA627 (Jury is still out on the final decision). 

 

Once I have finished with the testing and bedded down the M-Stage (couple of months), I am going to go through the same optimisation process for the Cute Curve. - The Cute Curve is intended for my desk, and the M-Stage for my lounge room.

 

Good luck on your search

post #917 of 10435

Just wanted to stop in this thread and say hi. I just ordered a pair for DT880/600's from B&H, so I'm pretty excited to check them out. The main reason I got them, is mainly for comfort. I love the sound of my HD650's, but they are physically causing pain inside my right ear. I heard these sound similar with some slight differences here and there. We'll see when I receive them. biggrin.gif

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@dlaloum: So, you're saying I would be better off buying Revox 3100 or Synergy than the new 880/600? I like it, its cheaper. That means I can buy a better amp, if the extra 100€ change anything? (or a pair of old k240=D) How's quality on Revox's?

 

PS: which would be better, 3100 or Synergy? I know the difference is subtle...but still


Edited by ribafish - 10/24/10 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by PANGES View Post

Just wanted to stop in this thread and say hi. I just ordered a pair for DT880/600's from B&H, so I'm pretty excited to check them out. The main reason I got them, is mainly for comfort. I love the sound of my HD650's, but they are physically causing pain inside my right ear. I heard these sound similar with some slight differences here and there. We'll see when I receive them. biggrin.gif

I sold my HD650 to get the 600 ohm Beyers. I feel they sound quite different.

The Beyers have a smoother and better defined top end. The also sound great with a tube amp. I found the HD650 to sound better with a Burson SS amp that I tried...
 

post #920 of 10435
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Originally Posted by ribafish View Post

@dlaloum: So, you're saying I would be better off buying Revox 3100 or Synergy than the new 880/600? I like it, its cheaper. That means I can buy a better amp, if the extra 100€ change anything? (or a pair of old k240=D) How's quality on Revox's?

 

PS: which would be better, 3100 or Synergy? I know the difference is subtle...but still



I Never heard the Synergy - I believe the drivers are identical - so the only difference is the clamping force.

 

If "grippy" HP's bother you go for the Synergy - remember you can also get the 1980's Beyers 3100 = DT880Pro, Synergy = DT880

 

And if shipping wasn't so expensive to this side of the world I would get a set of 1 of each + a late 80's DT990 - same vintage....

 

post #921 of 10435

How do the grills stay? Are they dented easily? My AD-700 has a dent in it, and I might pick the 990 over this for the grills.

post #922 of 10435
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Originally Posted by dlaloum View Post





I Never heard the Synergy - I believe the drivers are identical - so the only difference is the clamping force.

 

If "grippy" HP's bother you go for the Synergy - remember you can also get the 1980's Beyers 3100 = DT880Pro, Synergy = DT880

 

And if shipping wasn't so expensive to this side of the world I would get a set of 1 of each + a late 80's DT990 - same vintage....

 



Have you compared 3100 with the new dt880/600? Soundwise and everythingelsewise? Well, I would rather than get a different set of headphones like akg k240/k340 than almost identical set. But thats just me

post #923 of 10435

Have a read of the Vintage Beyer thread - there was a posting there specifically comparing current DT880 to Revox 3100...

 

He preferred the Revox.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/504046/vintage-beyer-appreciation-thread

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/513393/information-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990


Edited by dlaloum - 10/25/10 at 5:54pm
post #924 of 10435
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Originally Posted by Palpatine View Post



I sold my HD650 to get the 600 ohm Beyers. I feel they sound quite different.

The Beyers have a smoother and better defined top end. The also sound great with a tube amp. I found the HD650 to sound better with a Burson SS amp that I tried...
 

 

Well, I'm always fine with a change. I'm going to be running the DT880 off my Little Dot MKIII. 

 

The most important thing for me in buying the Beyers is comfort. Sound quality almost comes in 2nd. lol.

 

post #925 of 10435

Hi everybody,

 

I have tested a DT 880 250 Ohm during the last days and wonder if I should get this one or a 600 Ohm version as it gets so much praises in this thread. The only thing that puzzles me is your comments about the bass of the 600 Ohm compared to the 250 Ohm. Most of you state that the 600 Ohm has less bass but more controlled one. Some say it goes deeper, some state the opposite and claim that it empasises the upper bass range.

 

Shane55 postet a frequency range graph for the DT 880 600 Ohm on page 29:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/429371/the-beyerdynamic-dt880-600-ohm-appreciation-discussion-thread/420

 

In this graph it looks like the bass is significantly rolling off compared to mids and heights and starts dropping even steeper below 100Hz. Is this graph correct? Because what I am hearing with the 250 Ohm sounds very much like this graph from HeadRoom with the bass being a bit louder than the mids and not constantly falling off:

frequency_dt880.jpg

 

Also, the HeadRoom graph shows even a little bit more bass for the 600 Ohm compared to the 250 Ohm.

 

I am puzzled now. Which graph is correct? Is there more or less bass in the 600 Ohm compared to the 250 Ohm? Does the 600 Ohm roll off on the low end extremely like in Shane55´s measurement or are HeadRoom right with their graph?

 

 

And another topic:  Do you think an Audinst HUD-MX1 is capable of driving the DT 880 600 Ohm sufficiently? Or am I better off with the 250 Ohm on the Audinst?

 

Thanks for help!

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post #926 of 10435

Get 600. STOP.

post #927 of 10435
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Get 600. STOP.



This!

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Originally Posted by Dragon777 View Post

Shane55 postet a frequency range graph for the DT 880 600 Ohm on page 29:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/429371/the-beyerdynamic-dt880-600-ohm-appreciation-discussion-thread/420


My measurements were taken 'off-head', so lower frequency measurements are not accurately represented as there is much gained from the interplay with the ears and head. This graph was posted for comparison purposes only (v. DT770). Not as a true measurement of the DT880's performance.

 

The 600 Ohm is superior to the 250 Ohm. Regardless of how the HeadRoom graph looks, the highs are actually less strident and shrill, and the lows and bass extension are improved. (EDIT: to my ears... of course.)

 

shane
 


Edited by shane55 - 10/28/10 at 8:04am
post #929 of 10435

I wish DT880/600 was so cheap in the Europe. The only place in the Europe that sells DT880/600 is Beyerdynamic themself and it's retail price is €319. This is one of reasons I hold on with the purchase. I can have HD600/650 and K701 much cheaper and I will yet be able to return them if I don't like their sound. This does not seem to be the case with DT880/600 from beyer.

post #930 of 10435

they are 280€ off french amazon. i'm thinking about buying them too, and this is the cheapest option i have found. plus, the postage is 35€ to slovenia from beyer, so yeah, they're pretty gay in that manner

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