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As an example, a balanced interconnect cable set up will cancel hum that is picked up by the balanced wire pair.
The hum rejection is actually performed by the cable's receiving end, for example, the input stage of a power amp with a balanced input stage.

That's how it was explained to me, I wonder how that works out with balanced amplification, and Dac processing or rather what are the benifits on paper. I know that for me, my balanced Amps [in the same price points] have 10/10 times sounded better than my SE ones. I won't get into which one is which ect... ect... but I'm just curious

 

Though I might take this topic else were :3, also guys I might be need of another DT 880 <.< I've got a $180 modded Grado and I'm curious how it stacks up to the DT 880, which sells for about $180ish used :3 [Single End Prefered ] 

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Originally Posted by truly194 View Post
 

And another question - maybe i should recabled my dt880? Did You do this? What cable you prefer?

If you recable your DT880 stick to pure copper. I wouldn't go anything silver with the DT880 as it is already a brighter sounding headphone. 

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Does it need to be CRYO treated?

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Does it need to be CRYO treated?

Haha doubt that even matters. I am not going to argue about the perceived differences between silver and copper I am only commenting from a lot of experience hearing both

post #8255 of 8262

That all-black DT880 looks amazing :eek:

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I was listening smsl sanskrit + OTL from one home-made producer and dt880 250 ohm edition 05, and it wasn't "better" then the aune. Difference was only on some small details - like more impact on the bass, less treble, maybe but maybe, wide range soundstage.

 

I'm very intereting how much i have to spend on dac and amp to hear that is really better then the aune t1 with my dt 880. Maybe 800$ is not enough?

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I think the bigger question is whether or not you enjoy what you already have. A lot of people in this hobby spend what the more cynical among us might consider inordinate amounts of both time and money chasing after minuscule (if extant) improvements in their setup, and they never seem to stop and ask themselves that question. They get too caught up in the what-if's and shiny (and expensive!) new toys. They might even convince themselves that they're hearing an improvement as they go up the scale, if only to justify the expense.

 

If you're not hearing much of a difference, that might be a blessing in disguise. It probably means you can stop right where you are and be happy. Or, if you feel that the DT880 itself might be holding you back (e.g. there's something about the signature you don't like, or maybe it's not as technically adept as another headphone you've heard), you could always try another headphone to either complement or replace it.

post #8258 of 8262

The DT880 isn't a very highly technical headphone, so at some point, it'll be the limiting factor.

 

I think most people like and enjoy it so much thanks to its tonal balance. And I personally think tonal balance is more important than technicality... as evidenced by the split opinions about the HD800.

 

So even if you scale up in gears, I think the DT880 will mostly change in tonal balance, and improve very little in terms of technicality, so it won't sound significantly "better". To get "better", I think you'll just have to find a more revealing headphone. But again, that whole "tonal balance" thing kicks in, and then...

 

I think that's basically the whole game for the "summit-fi" folks. They're basically chasing amps and DACs that are specifically colored (but highly technical) to compensate for the tonal balance of a headphone or speaker that's also highly technical in order to achieve some perceived neutrality (while also preserving the technicality), since no headphone in existence currently is perfectly flat.


Edited by Bill-P - Yesterday at 8:53 pm
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The DT880 isn't a very highly technical headphone, so at some point, it'll be the limiting factor.

 

I think most people like and enjoy it so much thanks to its tonal balance. And I personally think tonal balance is more important than technicality... as evidenced by the split opinions about the HD800.

 

So even if you scale up in gears, I think the DT880 will mostly change in tonal balance, and improve very little in terms of technicality, so it won't sound significantly "better". To get "better", I think you'll just have to find a more revealing headphone. But again, that whole "tonal balance" thing kicks in, and then...

 

I think that's basically the whole game for the "summit-fi" folks. They're basically chasing amps and DACs that are specifically colored (but highly technical) to compensate for the tonal balance of a headphone or speaker that's also highly technical in order to achieve some perceived neutrality (while also preserving the technicality), since no headphone in existence currently is perfectly flat.


I think where the DT880 loses it's overall focus is in the naturalness to the sound. The DT880 has a pretty flat response with a slight bump in treble sparkle. It doesn't seem to do anything wrong at all when I played some Journey "After the Fall" and "Separate Ways." What it's lacking though are microdetails in the track that I am picking up with my other pair of cans. I am not hearing Steve Perry's voice reverberate through the studio chamber with the DT880. It's almost lifeless compared to the Alpha Dog.

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Yeah. The Alpha Dog is superior in technicality thanks to being planar magnetic, and also very well-dampened.

There is less overall distortion in frequency response, and it is pretty fast in decay, so that will bring out microdetails, and also extra reverberation and spatial cues that would otherwise be lost because the DT880 isn't fast enough to respond to those minuscule information.

This is why frequency response regularly doesn't show the whole picture about a headphone. How the headphone handles distortions and other time-domain tidbits will also affect its portrayal of any sound content, and unfortunately, there is only so much one can hear before vying for a different headphone.

But if someone just absolutely loves the tonal balance of the DT880, and their only qualm is with the high frequency peak, then that's where higher-end tube amps come in.
post #8261 of 8262

 I changed the SOLEN bypass caps to MUNDORF bypass caps for my CRACK amp the difference is big the MUNDORF have a lot more details and very smooth than the SOLEN it sound really really nice with the DT880 and HDX50 i really love the treble of the DT880 very smooth.

post #8262 of 8262

I love tonality of dt 880 but i was thinking that i can scale them up really high :)

And of course thess sparkle highs... sometimes are really horrible. I should check up schiit gear, and maybe some other OTL then this one i have heard....

 

And i don't forget about music, i just like hearing new gear and headphones. Now i get a Sennheiser HD565 with HM5 pads for weekend to testing and this headphones sounds so close to dt 880 for me! I mean tonality, of course they have other soundstage, more fun bass, and not so sparkle highs - but overall i can find very much similarity. Anybode hears the same between those headphones?

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