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Just wanted to share this. I got these headphones about two weeks ago, along with a JDS Labs O2 and a SanDisk Sansa Fuze V1.  As many people have mentioned these headphones didn't "wow" me at all, but I wasn't disappointed because I wasn't expecting it, but man are these headphones nice. They are extremely comfortable, thanks to the extremely soft velour pads, and comfortable clamping force. The sound, ahhh where do I begin? They are so faithful to the sound (which is the reason why they don't "wow") and extremely detailed. People complain about the treble being too high and piercing, but this is not what I found, as I found them present, detailed but not overwhelming and I can say that they're enjoyable. I am mostly a classical listener and I am very picky with the sound of specific instruments, especially the piano (Superlux HD681s anyone?), but these headphones are very good at reproducing a airy atmosphere for the orchestra and piano, which I tested with Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No.1, and Beethoven's Piano Concerto No.5 'Emperor'. The orchestra sounds great and detailed. The separation of instruments id good and the sound stage is good but not particularly large. The bass is nice and not lacking (in my opinion). I found the bass to be accurate and not bloated, but accurate bass can be a problem for hiphop and rap listeners because it can feel a little boring.

The JDS Labs O2 is great. I don't have much to say about it except that it has virtually no coloration, no hissing, great build quality, and can drive the DT880s no problem. The Sansa Fuze + Rockbox is a great little MP3 player with a good DAC, and expandable memory. I am waiting for the LOD to arrive because it ships from Hong Kong, so I can avoid double amping. Although even from the regular headphone jack to the O2 it sounds great already. The first thing I tried was Carl Orff's Carmina Burana, and wow did it sound amazing (specially in FLAC). Well, I hope you guys enjoyed these first thoughts/Review. 

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Watch out for TUBE ROLLING your wallet will get HURT.:(

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Not if you careful and shop around unless you want that really really special rare tube or high costing tube and don't buy pairs unless your buying Power tubes as those are important to have a match of. There's a guide some where that make it easier too.

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Nice review, MRodriguez, with which I agree completely. The DT880 is extremely neutral and uncoloured and nothing demonstrates that so well as classical, which is probably the toughest test for neutrality. People talk about sucked out middle or anaemic bass, but that's only in comparison to phones that are a little bloated in those areas. I find the DT880 near-perfect in balance, with only that peak around 7khz to contend with--and even that's only apparent on certain recordings. Tame that, and it's not difficult, and you've got one of the most neutral phones on the market.

 

Will it give you all the detail and the massive soundstage of an HD800 or even T1? Of course not, but it will give you a convincing panorama. I've never had a problem with either detail or soundstage on the 880. I think the detail exceeds the HD650, which I owned for 3 years, and soundstage is fine in that instruments are placed where i expect them to be and I hear more than adequate depth (sometimes startlingly so, in fact). True, I don't hear individual instruments or groups of instruments with distinct 'air' around them, but then I've never heard that with any headphone, and to be honest I've never even heard it in the concert hall from a typical listening position (maybe if you were sitting directly in front...). So I'm fully satisfied with my DT880. Before deciding to keep it I compared it extensively with the HE-500 (two, in fact), and though all the reviews and threads were telling me I should prefer the HE-500 I just didn't; it seemed dark and even dank by comparison, and just not a pleasure to listen to. When I sold the HE-500 I thought, hell, after a few weeks the weaknesses of the DT880 will start showing up and I'll wish I'd kept the HE-500. Well, it hasn't happened. In fact if anything the DT880 seems to have improved in sound and become even better balanced. I hardly even use any treble cut anymore; with most recordings the balance is just fine straight.

 

Do I have any problems with the DT880? Well, I wish they could iron out the peak slightly because the phone is soooo close to being perfect in terms of lacking major faults. I also wish the ear pads were cheaper, because $50+ for ear pads is just profiteering. Otherwise, for a typical selling price of around $230, what is there really to compete with the DT880?

 

(That's a rhetorical question, by the way. :p ).


Edited by pp312 - 5/27/14 at 6:06pm
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Where are you looking for pads that cost 50+? They're 35 for legit pads. 20 if you get generics. Us prices of course. I find the prices reasonable after buying a set of hd600/650s. 50-60! Even worst, T5p pads are 200 a set. redface.gif

n/m, aus. sucks for you guys. frown.gif
Edited by MrEleventy - 5/27/14 at 7:39pm
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It's $57.00AU here at my local melbourne dealer for DT880 pads (in either silver or black). Grado earpads are the worst. They're just foam! Yet the L-Cush go for $47 a pair. 

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Nice review, MRodriguez, with which I agree completely. The DT880 is extremely neutral and uncoloured and nothing demonstrates that so well as classical, which is probably the toughest test for neutrality. People talk about sucked out middle or anaemic bass, but that's only in comparison to phones that are a little bloated in those areas. I find the DT880 near-perfect in balance, with only that peak around 7khz to contend with--and even that's only apparent on certain recordings. Tame that, and it's not difficult, and you've got one of the most neutral phones on the market.

 

Will it give you all the detail and the massive soundstage of an HD800 or even T1? Of course not, but it will give you a convincing panorama. I've never had a problem with either detail or soundstage on the 880. I think the detail exceeds the HD650, which I owned for 3 years, and soundstage is fine in that instruments are placed where i expect them to be and I hear more than adequate depth (sometimes startlingly so, in fact). True, I don't hear individual instruments or groups of instruments with distinct 'air' around them, but then I've never heard that with any headphone, and to be honest I've never even heard it in the concert hall from a typical listening position (maybe if you were sitting directly in front...). So I'm fully satisfied with my DT880. Before deciding to keep it I compared it extensively with the HE-500 (two, in fact), and though all the reviews and threads were telling me I should prefer the HE-500 I just didn't; it seemed dark and even dank by comparison, and just not a pleasure to listen to. When I sold the HE-500 I thought, hell, after a few weeks the weaknesses of the DT880 will start showing up and I'll wish I'd kept the HE-500. Well, it hasn't happened. In fact if anything the DT880 seems to have improved in sound and become even better balanced. I hardly even use any treble cut anymore; with most recordings the balance is just fine straight.

 

Do I have any problems with the DT880? Well, I wish they could iron out the peak slightly because the phone is soooo close to being perfect in terms of lacking major faults. I also wish the ear pads were cheaper, because $50+ for ear pads is just profiteering. Otherwise, for a typical selling price of around $230, what is there really to compete with the DT880?

 

(That's a rhetorical question, by the way. :p ).

 

Interesting... According to the Headroom graph, the DT880 should actually sound pretty similar to the HE-500, with a few more decibels of treble and a couple less decibels of sub-bass.  Both have an almost ruler-flat midrange.

 

Edit: Granted, the HE-500 has two decibels less in the "presence" region (2kHz), which is already rolled off on the DT880.


Edited by riverlethe - 5/27/14 at 8:07pm
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$48 here in Canada as well...

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Interesting... According to the Headroom graph, the DT880 should actually sound pretty similar to the HE-500, with a few more decibels of treble and a couple less decibels of sub-bass.  Both have an almost ruler-flat midrange.

 

Edit: Granted, the HE-500 has two decibels less in the "presence" region (2kHz), which is already rolled off on the DT880.

Graphs are only very vague indicators of actual sound. Two headphones that measure similarly can sound noticeably different.

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I don't completely trust graphs
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post

Graphs are only very vague indicators of actual sound. Two headphones that measure similarly can sound noticeably different.

I think it's more likely the opposite. I'm still trying to figure out how people hear a "recessed midrange" in the DT880. :P
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I think it's more likely the opposite. I'm still trying to figure out how people hear a "recessed midrange" in the DT880. :P

That's because the mids aren't recessed, and don't even measure as such. They only look recessed in the upper mids in compensated graphs. If you look at raw measurements (which I think make a lot more sense to what I hear in headphones) there's no single thing that indicates midrange recession. 

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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post

That's because the mids aren't recessed, and don't even measure as such. They only look recessed in the upper mids in compensated graphs. If you look at raw measurements (which I think make a lot more sense to what I hear in headphones) there's no single thing that indicates midrange recession. 

I find the diffuse-field compensated graphs to work fairly well, but maybe I have a very "average" head shape.

edit: Also, even the compensated graph only looks recessed in the upper mids compared to something like K702 or SRH1840.
Edited by riverlethe - 5/27/14 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by josh just josh View Post

Actually, I do have a quality integrated amp that I use at home that works very well with my headphones, but I am looking for something to use at work. I don't even have a problem with the dt880's sound signature, in fact I love it. If anything, i am looking for an neutral amp that will drive them cleanly without mucking up its tone. My concern is that the amp will add treble energy and make a somewhat bright headphone overly bright. I have read reports that the magni is overly bright.


I used a Valhalla for over a year with my 880 600ohms and really felt there was a great deal of synergy. I still consider getting that rig again.

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are the 880s more open than the 225? As in, will I hear more sound from the outside than the 225s or more or so equal?

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