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post #7411 of 10421
Separate amp sounds about right
post #7412 of 10421

I have a couple questions. First, is 2V output from the DAC line out do the job?  The volume does control the output of the line out with this DAC. Second, the output impedance of the DAC is 50 ohms. This makes for only a 5:1 ratio with my headphones. I need this to work for me until I get an external amp.

 

Will this setup work for me?

 

Thanks!

 

Bob


Edited by r010159 - 5/22/14 at 12:59pm
post #7413 of 10421

I just bought DT880 250 ohm and E07K. Compared to my TF10, DT880 sounds much wider and mid is much clearer. However, it sounds kinda hollow or empty, and I am guessing it's got to do with the amp..? I almost have to crank E07K to the maximum output level to sound loud enough. Or maybe it's the way open headphones are supposed to sound? This is my first time listening to one...

post #7414 of 10421
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

Your most welcome!

The evening listening session with my humble portable rig.

beyerdynamic DT880 Pro's, FiiO E12 & the FiiO X3. Avenged Sevenfold's "Nightmare" album rocks the beyer's like a dream.


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I want a double double please!

post #7415 of 10421
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post
 

I have a couple questions. First, is 2V output from the DAC line out do the job?  The volume does control the output of the line out with this DAC. Second, the output impedance of the DAC is 50 ohms. This makes for only a 5:1 ratio with my headphones. I need this to work for me until I get an external amp.

 

Will this setup work for me?

 

Thanks!

 

Bob

 

2V output is pretty standard for a line-out.  The fixed output on my NFB-12 is 2.25V, and that is quite a powerful amp.

 

What amp are you using after the DAC?  That's the only section with output impedance you need to worry about - as far as damping goes to your cans.

 

I think you're using a DACMagic plus right?  It has a headphone out already - and as you stated it's around 30 ohms on the headphone out - so I wouldn't worry too much about it with the 250 ohm DT880.

 

The more important question is how do they sound to you?

 

For the record - my NFB-12 has an output impedance of 2 ohms from the headphone out - but I also enjoy it with my LD MKIV (which as far as I know is around 30-40 ohms).

 

Don't sweat the numbers - if it sounds good, use it.

post #7416 of 10421
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

Your most welcome!

The evening listening session with my humble portable rig.

beyerdynamic DT880 Pro's, FiiO E12 & the FiiO X3. Avenged Sevenfold's "Nightmare" album rocks the beyer's like a dream.


beerchug.gif

Hi!

How about driving dt880 (250 ohm) directly from X3?

do you think that x3 can drive dt880 (250ohm) decently?

post #7417 of 10421
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post
 

Hi!

How about driving dt880 (250 ohm) directly from X3?

do you think that x3 can drive dt880 (250ohm) decently?

 

I was happy with the X5 and the DT880 - so the X3 (with slightly more powerful output) should be fine.  It may not be quite as good as a nice tube amp, or more powerful desktop - but perfectly listenable.

post #7418 of 10421
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I want a double double please!
Yes indeed! A Large Double Double and a BCD, waiting on the counter for you! biggrin.gif
post #7419 of 10421
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

Hi!
How about driving dt880 (250 ohm) directly from X3?
do you think that x3 can drive dt880 (250ohm) decently?
The X3 will drive the Pro's on High Gain but it is a real battery chewer...

I like the extra headroom the E12 provides for the DT880's, when you want to crank it up or for low level tracks.

Also there is something to be said about an analog volume control.
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Edited by TrollDragon - 5/22/14 at 2:04pm
post #7420 of 10421

I picked up a pair of DT880 pro's the other day after having had my eyes on them for years. I am smitten with them to say the least. My SR80's have a nice signature for rock and intimate jazz combo music, but the DT880's blow them out of the water when it comes to large scale orchestral pieces and much better all-arounders.

 

I would like to step up to a dedicated amp for them to A) possibly squeeze more performance out of them and B) have more toys on my desk to distract me from actually getting work done. I have narrowed it down to three (with bullet points to show that I have researched/paid attention).

 

JDS O2

 

Pros:

  • Reportedly neutral sound signature

  • Low noise floor, clean

  • Gain settings make it flexible

Cons:

  • Form factor, no surprise. I like a lot of things about the O2 amp (creative commons designs FTW!), but I think that trying to toe the line between a portable and a desktop amp makes for an amp that isn't well overly well suited for either. I have no interest in portability and the O2's front connections and mini jacks aren't ideal.

  • From what I understand, the placement of the volume potentiometer after the first gain stage and cause the first gain stage to clip when the amp is being run hard with a hot input at high gain. It probably wouldn't be an issue for me, but it is a data point non the less.

 

Schiit Magni

 

Pros:

  • Reportedly neutral sound signature with good detail

  • Low noise floor, clean

  • Form factor

Cons:

  • High, non adjustable gain makes it less flexible and reportedly causes volume control issues.

  • While generally touted as “neutral”, it is also said to be bright, even overly bright. I have read passing comments that this makes it a bad match for the already somewhat bright Dt880

 

Schiit Vali

 

Pros:

  • Reportedly neutralish, with a fuller body and mid presence

  • Form factor

  • I've read passing comments that it is a good match for the Dt880's

  • +1 cool factor

Cons:

  • Noise. Microphonics, while annoying, I could probably live with. High noise floor, not a chance. I've heard people say that while the noise floor can be high you can't hear it when the music is playing. Maybe this is alright for rock and pop, but I listen to a lot of classical. During the quiet sections I want to hear the rosin of the bows, not amp hum.

  • Reportedly smaller sounding soundstage.

 

Do any of you guys have opinions or direct comparisons of these amps with the 250 ohm Dt880's?

post #7421 of 10421
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Originally Posted by josh just josh View Post

I picked up a pair of DT880 pro's the other day after having had my eyes on them for years. I am smitten with them to say the least. My SR80's have a nice signature for rock and intimate jazz combo music, but the DT880's blow them out of the water when it comes to large scale orchestral pieces and much better all-arounders.



 



I would like to step up to a dedicated amp for them to A) possibly squeeze more performance out of them and B) have more toys on my desk to distract me from actually getting work done. I have narrowed it down to three (with bullet points to show that I have researched/paid attention).



 



JDS O2



 



Pros:



  • Reportedly neutral sound signature




  • Low noise floor, clean




  • Gain settings make it flexible



Cons:



  • Form factor, no surprise. I like a lot of things about the O2 amp (creative commons designs FTW!), but I think that trying to toe the line between a portable and a desktop amp makes for an amp that isn't well overly well suited for either. I have no interest in portability and the O2's front connections and mini jacks aren't ideal.




  • From what I understand, the placement of the volume potentiometer after the first gain stage and cause the first gain stage to clip when the amp is being run hard with a hot input at high gain. It probably wouldn't be an issue for me, but it is a data point non the less.



 



Schiit Magni



 



Pros:



  • Reportedly neutral sound signature with good detail




  • Low noise floor, clean




  • Form factor



Cons:



  • High, non adjustable gain makes it less flexible and reportedly causes volume control issues.




  • While generally touted as “neutral”, it is also said to be bright, even overly bright. I have read passing comments that this makes it a bad match for the already somewhat bright Dt880



 



Schiit Vali



 



Pros:



  • Reportedly neutralish, with a fuller body and mid presence




  • Form factor




  • I've read passing comments that it is a good match for the Dt880's




  • +1 cool factor



Cons:



  • Noise. Microphonics, while annoying, I could probably live with. High noise floor, not a chance. I've heard people say that while the noise floor can be high you can't hear it when the music is playing. Maybe this is alright for rock and pop, but I listen to a lot of classical. During the quiet sections I want to hear the rosin of the bows, not amp hum.




  • Reportedly smaller sounding soundstage.



 



Do any of you guys have opinions or direct comparisons of these amps with the 250 ohm Dt880's?




The problem with the O2 is that you may need high gain if you listen to material with a lot of dynamic range and you use 250 or 600 Ohm Beyers.
post #7422 of 10421

I would say that a fair amount of the music that I listen to would fall into that category. So there is another solid point against the O2.


Edited by josh just josh - 5/22/14 at 4:46pm
post #7423 of 10421
Trust me, microphonic tubes are a spawn of Satan, one does not get used to microphonic tubes... They end up in the trash and the Vali is not friendly to tube rolling.

Now one of the members here had a Little Dot MKIII for sale in the forum. With a pair of $7 6HM5 Yugoslavian driver tubes off eBay you will have an amp for the DT880 that will put a serious smile on your face.

DT880's and tubes go together like Baseball and Hot Dogs...

Just something more to consider. biggrin.gif
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post #7424 of 10421
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Originally Posted by sexhero View Post

I just bought DT880 250 ohm and E07K. Compared to my TF10, DT880 sounds much wider and mid is much clearer. However, it sounds kinda hollow or empty, and I am guessing it's got to do with the amp..? I almost have to crank E07K to the maximum output level to sound loud enough. Or maybe it's the way open headphones are supposed to sound? This is my first time listening to one...
The E07K like my E17 just doesn't have the horsepower to drive the DT880's IMHO. If you pair the E07K up with an E09K you will have a great little desktop unit, if you want portable then the E12 will provide all the juice you need.
post #7425 of 10421
I've had it for only about a week but.... I find that the A200p is actually a pretty powerful lil dac/amp unit. It runs the DT880/600 ohms to ear splitting levels, which I found that the E17 wasn't able to do do. redface.gif.
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