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Is this a reliable dt880 reseller:
http://sonicfiber.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Beyerdynamic
post #6827 of 10430
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Originally Posted by BbOO View Post

Is this a reliable dt880 reseller:
http://sonicfiber.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Beyerdynamic

Not sure tbh, but why not just buy it from Amazon. They're about the same prices.
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post


Are you talking about power for transients in the music, otherwise known as slew rate?

The amount of power output capable by an amp is readily available, as you know. But the speed this power can be delivered in is not. I personally think slew rate is relevant. An engineering friend purchased a gigantic amp for this reason.

Just a thought,

BG

 

I don't think it is a slew rate thing...seems more like an outright power thing.  Bear in mind I am interested in the DT880 and don't own them so not sure if this applies.  But the other headphones I mentioned are renowned to be able sink a lot of power.

 

Maybe it has something to do with one amp pumping concert volumes whilst virtually idling power wise or another amp having to be caned to near redline to obtain concert like volumes...this kinda makes sense to me.


Edited by SP Wild - 3/17/14 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

I buy that.  I have experimented a lot with resistors and speaker outs into headphones.  The M-stage is the same as the Lehman Black Cube amp and pumps the same power.  I have found on some headphones - more power equals more drive and a larger soundstage with a bigger sound - not necessarily volume related...I think its the raw available drive.  The Lehmann amp and the XcanV3 does not have that sort of big soundstage, big sound that an even more higher powered amplifier can provide on some of my cans like the HD650, K701 and LCD2.

 

Most receivers output very little power out of their headphone jack.

Receivers with 220 Ohm headphone jacks output as much power as a small desktop amp.

The output resistor in the headphone jack severely limits the output power, output current and output voltage of the power amp to a pair of headphones.

 

For example:

a 100 Watt per channel receiver with a headphone jack with an output impedance of 220 Ohms is limited to 640 mW into a 62 Ohm pair of AKG Q701s.

 

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The slew rate on most modern audio amps is generally in excess of the amount needed to output a full-scale 20 kHz tone. Any kind of transient in musical material isn't going to change level as fast as that. Slew rate is rarely a limiting factor for audio these days.

Absolutely.

Headphone amps don't need a very high slew rate!

post #6830 of 10430
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

I don't think it is a slew rate thing...seems more like an outright power thing.  Bear in mind I am interested in the DT880 and don't own them so not sure if this applies.  But the other headphones I mentioned are renowned to be able sink a lot of power.

 

Maybe it has something to do with one amp pumping concert volumes whilst virtually idling power wise or another amp having to be caned to near redline to obtain concert like volumes...this kinda makes sense to me.

 

I assumed it was a slew rate thing with my friend. This is back 30 years ago. But I remember part of his explanation paralleled what you are saying here. IMO this gives some credence to your thoughts. I learned to never tdoubt his technical opinion.

 

BG


Edited by r010159 - 3/17/14 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

For example:

a 100 Watt per channel receiver with a headphone jack with an output impedance of 220 Ohms is limited to 640 mW into a 62 Ohm pair of AKG Q701s.

 

 

Is that bad?

post #6832 of 10430
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

 

Is that bad?

 

It's not really bad.

 

It's just reality.

You don't get a tremendous amount of power, but then headphones only need a few mWatts.

And you also get a very high output impedance, which may cause some headphones grief, some headphones may not like the poor damping factor which will lead to higher distortion, may lead to frequency response aberations.

Some people say they sound great!

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I just wanted to post on here to say I am an official owner of the DT 880 (250 ohms), and I like them A LOT!!! Just sharing the love :beyersmile:

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Congrats! I'm thinking abt getting this or DT990. Did you try DT990? And if you did, why did you pick DT880 over DT990?
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Welcome! beerchug.gif

I tried out a few of the dt models myself, 880/600, 990/600, 770 Pro/80 & 770/250. 990s were really the only ones that I didn't love. Too sibilant for my taste. Bass was awesome tho.
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Originally Posted by xanlamin View Post

Congrats! I'm thinking abt getting this or DT990. Did you try DT990? And if you did, why did you pick DT880 over DT990?

Well, I don't own the Dt 990, however, Beyerdynamic describes the DT 880 as a neutral and linear headphone, whereas the DT 990 emphasizes bass and treble (at least that's what it says on Amazon). To my ears at least, the DT 880 is definitely a balanced and neutral headphone, which I prefer. I think it has just the right amount of bass and treble. Some people complain that the mids are recessed, but honestly I don't notice, and you can fix that easily with a good EQ.

 

So, if you prefer more bass and warmth in your music, and a little more treble, than you should pick the DT 990, but if you want neutral sound, choose the DT 880. Or you could try them at some headphone place near you, I did for my Shure SRH 940s, very happy with them.


Edited by achelgeson - 3/18/14 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by achelgeson View Post

Well, I don't own the Dt 990, however, Beyerdynamic describes the DT 880 as a neutral and linear headphone, whereas the DT 990 emphasizes bass and treble (at least that's what it says on Amazon). To my ears at least, the DT 880 is definitely a balanced and neutral headphone, which I prefer. I think it has just the right amount of bass and treble. Some people complain that the mids are recessed, but honestly I don't notice, and you can fix that easily with a good EQ.

So, if you prefer more bass and warmth in your music, and a little more treble, than you should pick the DT 990, but if you want neutral sound, choose the DT 880. Or you could try them at some headphone place near you, I did for my Shure SRH 940s, very happy with them.
How do the SRH940's compare against the DT880's?
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

How do the SRH940's compare against the DT880's?
Why would you even consider something other than the holy DT880's... And Shure no less... biggrin.gif
post #6839 of 10430
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post


How do the SRH940's compare against the DT880's?

I think they sound a little similar, except of course for the soundstage, which is smaller in the Shures. Treble is a little more too, a little too much sometimes for certain songs, and that's why I prefer the DT 880. But you can't beat the details of the SRH 940, but then again you can hear everything because it's closed. (and the emphasized treble)

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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

Why would you even consider something other than the holy DT880's... And Shure no less... biggrin.gif
Lol just curious. I've heard that the detail of the srh940's is unmatched at under $500. But then again the dt880's are unlike any other wink.gif

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Originally Posted by achelgeson View Post

I think they sound a little similar, except of course for the soundstage, which is smaller in the Shures. Treble is a little more too, a little too much sometimes for certain songs, and that's why I prefer the DT 880. But you can't beat the details of the SRH 940, but then again you can hear everything because it's closed. (and the emphasized treble)

So all in all, which one do you prefer? I've heard many great things about the Shure's, a lot of which is about the clarity and detail. But it seems that others don't like it because it's very bass-light.
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