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I notice you say "the thickest orchestral action", can i assume its classical or movie soundtracks?

technically these kinds of music are not as heavily compressed compared to modern music.

so the congested feeling will prolly be not as obvious.

 

 

True, but in that case the DT880 is revealing congestion rather than creating it. Can we really blame the 880 for maybe showing up something some less accurate phone doesn't?

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The slightly receded mids is where the congestion cones from. Because in contrast my K702 Annie doesn't seems to have this problem. While DT880 is flat, my Annie is also natural.

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The slightly receded mids is where the congestion cones from. Because in contrast my K702 Annie doesn't seems to have this problem. While DT880 is flat, my Annie is also natural.

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I don't have congestion with the DT 990 and it's mids are more recessed than the DT 880.

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I'm not the kind of person that refuses to see flaws in his favorites headphones. Just so you know. I tend to hear weaknesses pretty quickly and fairly accurately. But I hear no congestion in my DT880 relative to any other dynamic headphones I've tried. Every one of my other headphones (HD600, K712, GMP400, PRO900, DT770, DT1350, Amperior and more) all are more congested than my DT880 in one way or another. I do hear some congestion in all dynamic headphones and it has always bothered me but IME the DT880's have only ever sounded noticeably congested in comparison to the Stax SR-407 (and to a lesser extent, the LCD-X). Its interesting to hear people complaining about this because incidentally, my recommendation for those who are bothered by congested sounding headphones like I am, is precisely the DT880.


Edited by devhen - 3/8/14 at 5:59pm
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I haven't heard any planars and stats before, and I've never heard any really high end dynamics. The best thing I've owned next to my DT880 is the Denon D2000 (which I'd say was of similar sound quality, but a different set of strengths and weaknesses). DT880 is the cleanest and least congested sounding headphone out of all that I've owned, with the Grado 225i coming in second. It was also very clean sounding, but it's micro soundstage made it sound more cramped, which could in some way lend itself to a feeling of congestion compared to the DT880's more realistic and spacious presentation.

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I haven't heard any planars and stats before, and I've never heard any really high end dynamics. The best thing I've owned next to my DT880 is the Denon D2000 (which I'd say was of similar sound quality, but a different set of strengths and weaknesses). DT880 is the cleanest and least congested sounding headphone out of all that I've owned, with the Grado 225i coming in second. It was also very clean sounding, but it's micro soundstage made it sound more cramped, which could in some way lend itself to a feeling of congestion compared to the DT880's more realistic and spacious presentation.

 

It sounds like our experiences match up pretty well. "Clean" and "clear" are definitely words I use when trying to describe the congestion I think we're all talking about. And I agree that soundstage size (particularly the center image IME) and how "forward" the presentation is can have a big effect as well. Next to the Stax 407 all of my dynamics sounded congested and grainy (it was depressing) but the DT880 was the least congested & grainy of them all. I haven't heard the HD800 or T1 yet but even the LCD-X only very narrowly beat the DT880 in that respect. For a dynamic headphone I consider the DT880 to be remarkably clear and uncongested.


Edited by devhen - 3/8/14 at 11:04pm
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It sounds like our experiences match up pretty well. "Clean" and "clear" are definitely words I use when trying to describe the congestion I think we're all talking about. And I agree that soundstage size (particularly the center image IME) and how "forward" the presentation is can have a big effect as well. Next to the Stax 407 all of my dynamics sounded congested and grainy (it was depressing) but the DT880 was the least congested & grainy of them all. I haven't heard the HD800 or T1 yet but even the LCD-X only very narrowly beat the DT880 in that respect. For a dynamic headphone I consider the DT880 to be remarkably clear and uncongested.


You are not going to get that grain-free sound except with STAX, some stats, orthos to a degree, and probably just one dynamic. The top of the line dynamics sound a bit grainy in comparison to a STAX. The only dynamic headphone I heard that was utterly free of grain like STAXs was the R10.


Edited by kman1211 - 3/8/14 at 11:09pm
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I was looking at these on Amazon and they list a 250 ohm Pro and a 250 ohm Premium version. What is the difference? I looked on Beyers site and they only have 250 ohm, doesn't say Pro or Premium.

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You are not going to get that grain-free sound except with STAXs and some other stats, the top of the line dynamics sound grainy in comparison as well. The only dynamic headphone I heard that was utterly free of grain like STAXs was the R10.

 

That's exactly the feeling I came away with after demo'ing the Stax for several days. You really get the impression that dynamics simply are not capable of the resolution and grain-free, effortless production that electrostats provide. I was a little disappointed to find that the LCD-X didn't really compete with the Stax in that regard either. They went some way toward that end, compared to dynamics, but they didn't make my dynamics sound like rubbish like the Stax did. The 407 were a true eye-opener (ear-opener?) that I wouldn't have believed if I didn't hear it for myself. All that said, the DT880 stood up best against them compared to my other dynamics.

 

Now I just have to keep trying to force the memory of the Stax out of my brain so I don't have to buy them.... hehehe. Eventually I will. ;)

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I was looking at these on Amazon and they list a 250 ohm Pro and a 250 ohm Premium version. What is the difference? I looked on Beyers site and they only have 250 ohm, doesn't say Pro or Premium.

 

The Pro has a tighter clamping force which results in slightly more sub-bass impact at the cost of being slightly less comfortable for some people (I find them both ridiculously comfortable). Other than that, the Premium has a straight cable while the Pro has a coiled cable and the Premium comes with a leather carrying case while the Pro comes with a nylon one. Other than those small differences they are the same headphone.


Edited by devhen - 3/8/14 at 11:23pm
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That's exactly the feeling I came away with after demo'ing the Stax for several days. You really get the impression that dynamics simply are not capable of the resolution and grain-free, effortless production that electrostats provide. I was a little disappointed to find that the LCD-X didn't really compete with the Stax in that regard either. They went some way toward that end, compared to dynamics, but they didn't make my dynamics sound like rubbish like the Stax did. The 407 were a true eye-opener (ear-opener?) that I wouldn't have believed if I didn't hear it for myself. All that said, the DT880 stood up best against them compared to my other dynamics.

 

Now I just have to keep trying to force the memory of the Stax out of my brain so I don't have to buy them.... hehehe. Eventually I will. ;)


It was depressing when I heard various STAXs and especially the R10 going back to my headphones, they didn't sound right, took me a week or two to adjust to my headphones again, although it doesn't help I'm going to listen to the R10 again heavily in a week. In terms of that effortless sound, orhtos and dynamics don't quite comare. I do agree, I found both the DT 880 and DT 990 very grain-free for dynamics, the only real problem spot grain wise in the upper treble. Just whatever you do don't listen to an R10 for an extended amount of time, especially on a system that synergizes well with the headphone, it's depressing going back especially since the headphone is practically unattainable. It has the effortless and grain-freeness of stax with that sense of body that you get from dynamics and it had the most natural and euphoric sound I've ever heard and it made everything sound wrong afterwards, it did basically everything right to my ears. Its my ideal headphone and it bothers me knowing I can't obtain the headphone for a very long time if ever, I just hope a true replacement for the headphone comes out. I will eventually settle with a STAX system for that effortless, clean, and coherent sound or I will get a K812(while not free of grain is musical, euphoric, and natural sounding).

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It was depressing when I heard various STAXs and especially the R10 going back to my headphones, they didn't sound right, took me a week or two to adjust to my headphones again, although it doesn't help I'm going to listen to the R10 again heavily in a week. In terms of that effortless sound, orhtos and dynamics don't quite comare. I do agree, I found both the DT 880 and DT 990 very grain-free for dynamics, the only real problem spot grain wise in the upper treble. Just whatever you do don't listen to an R10 for an extended amount of time, especially on a system that synergizes well with the headphone, it's depressing going back especially since the headphone is practically unattainable. It has the effortless and grain-freeness of stax with that sense of body that you get from dynamics and it had the most natural and euphoric sound I've ever heard and it made everything sound wrong afterwards, it did basically everything right to my ears. Its my ideal headphone and it bothers me knowing I can't obtain the headphone for a very long time if ever, I just hope a true replacement for the headphone comes out. I will eventually settle with a STAX system for that effortless, clean, and coherent sound or I will get a K812(while not free of grain is musical, euphoric, and natural sounding).

 

Well that's at the same time a very exciting and very depressing post. :) I feel for ya man. Do they even make the R10 anymore? And your thoughts on the K812 have got me very interested in them. Maybe I'll be able to demo them someday.

 

I had the same experience with the Stax. It took days before my dynamics sounded good again and at first I was worried they might never. Here's to hoping your future experiences don't ruin your current cans too much. Its all about getting enjoyment out of em, eh? ;)

 

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Well that's at the same time a very exciting and very depressing post. :) I feel for ya man. Do they even make the R10 anymore? And your thoughts on the K812 have got me very interested in them. Maybe I'll be able to demo them someday.

 

I had the same experience with the Stax. It took days before my dynamics sounded good again and at first I was worried they might never. Here's to hoping your future experiences don't ruin your current cans too much. Its all about getting enjoyment out of em, eh? ;)

 

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They stopped making them in 2004 I believe, then they made the Qualia right after. The bass-light and bass-heavy sound quite different, but you can't forget the midrange on either. The K812 does have some grain issues in the lower treble typical of AKG, but it has a very good tonal balance and is addicting to listen to. It's worth trying some time.

 

Yes, it's all about how enjoyable a headphone is. It took me some time to figure out what headphones and house sounds I get the most enjoyment out of. I found in terms of dynamics it has to be AKGs for their euphoric and natural sound and Beyers for their coherent and smooth sound. Some reason I can't get myself to enjoy Senns, so I decided to not bother with them. I also realized I prefer tubes to ss amps overall. I was thinking about getting the DT 880, but after listening to it side by side to my K612(another neutral headphone) I found it redundant having both as I will end up only listening to one leaving one headphone pretty much ignored and I didn't want that, so I opted for the DT 990 instead to spice things up. I experimented a bit with German Maestro and I found them enjoyable, the one I heard was bright but I did quite enjoy the treble despite it being hot, not sure if other German Maestros have that interesting treble presentation.

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They stopped making them in 2004 I believe, then they made the Qualia right after. The bass-light and bass-heavy sound quite different, but you can't forget the midrange on either. The K812 does have some grain issues in the lower treble typical of AKG, but it has a very good tonal balance and is addicting to listen to. It's worth trying some time.

 

Yes, it's all about how enjoyable a headphone is. It took me some time to figure out what headphones and house sounds I get the most enjoyment out of. I found in terms of dynamics it has to be AKGs for their euphoric and natural sound and Beyers for their coherent and smooth sound. Some reason I can't get myself to enjoy Senns, so I decided to not bother with them. I also realized I prefer tubes to ss amps overall. I was thinking about getting the DT 880, but after listening to it side by side to my K612(another neutral headphone) I found it redundant having both as I will end up only listening to one leaving one headphone pretty much ignored and I didn't want that, so I opted for the DT 990 instead to spice things up. I experimented a bit with German Maestro and I found them enjoyable, the one I heard was bright but I did quite enjoy the treble despite it being hot, not sure if other German Maestros have that interesting treble presentation.

 

I've only heard the GMP400 and its treble doesn't really fit that description. From the comparisons I've read it sounds like the GMP400 is maybe a little warmer than other German Maestros. It reminds me of the HD600-- on the warm side and non-fatiguing.

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I've only heard the GMP400 and its treble doesn't really fit that description. From the comparisons I've read it sounds like the GMP400 is maybe a little warmer than other German Maestros. It reminds me of the HD600-- on the warm side and non-fatiguing.


I've been curious about that headphone, I may consider it sometime and considering the design is basically the same as the pair I heard comfort isn't an issue. What would you say are the most striking differences in it's sound compared to the HD 600?

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