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post #6196 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post
 

Hey all,

 

I sometimes wish I still had a DT880, but I have too many phones as it is. Maybe one day another one will grace me with it's presence..

 

Maybe if you listened to the 880 again you might decide you didn't need the other phones.

 

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And by the way, I applaud your decision to take action to protect your hearing even at the expense of being labelled anally retentive...:D

 

But I am anally retentive...and proud of it. :p

post #6197 of 8065
I luckily got my DT880 600ohm for $220 from my local audio store. I have not had an amp yet, but surprisingly, it sounds pretty loud straight out of my Vaio. Has anyone here pair dt880/600 with Vali, and how do they sound so far? Does Vali have enough power to drive dt880/600 properly?
Edited by benjaminhuypham - 1/18/14 at 5:42pm
post #6198 of 8065
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Originally Posted by benjaminhuypham View Post

I luckily got my DT880 600ohm for $220 from my local audio store. I have not had an amp yet, but surprisingly, it sounds pretty loud straight out of my Vaio. Has anyone here pair dt880/600 with Vali, and how do they sound so far? Does Vali have enough power to drive dt880/600 properly?

IT SOUNDS AMAZING

 

and yes I drove my 600 ohm through the Vali! I highy recommend it! 

post #6199 of 8065
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Much appreciated.  It is what I suspect...the HD600 too close to HD650.  I don't find the K701 too bad for casual listening - just needs that upper mid resonance kept under check.  Anyone wanna straight swap on a brand new looking K701?

What amp are you using with the K701?  I get that weird upper midrange plastic-ey resonance when I use my Millet hybrid.  Its only apparent on certain songs.  Mostly cleanly recorded drums where snare and tom tom decay is artificial sounding... Like the drums are made of plastic or something, instead of wood shells.  When I use my tube amps (EarMax, Darkvoice 337) the strange tonality goes away completely.  So I think-speculate  its some kind of n'th order harmonic content in the 701 design... thats masked with tube distortions.

 

Anyways...sorry for the thread de-rail.

 

I'm thinking about picking up an 880-600 for my OTL amps, EarMax and Darkvoice 337

post #6200 of 8065
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Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
 

What amp are you using with the K701?  I get that weird upper midrange plastic-ey resonance when I use my Millet hybrid.  Its only apparent on certain songs.  Mostly cleanly recorded drums where snare and tom tom decay is artificial sounding... Like the drums are made of plastic or something, instead of wood shells.  When I use my tube amps (EarMax, Darkvoice 337) the strange tonality goes away completely.  So I think-speculate  its some kind of n'th order harmonic content in the 701 design... thats masked with tube distortions.

 

Anyways...sorry for the thread de-rail.

 

I'm thinking about picking up an 880-600 for my OTL amps, EarMax and Darkvoice 337

Whoa was up Kramer... don't see you very often it feels like

 

non the less, the DT 880 600 LOVES some OTL tubes. eNjoy... and don't get to attached to your k701... the dt 880 might have you sellin the AKG in a week! 

 

Nice looking watches and tubes btw! 


Edited by Mshenay - 1/18/14 at 9:02pm
post #6201 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Whoa was up Kramer... don't see you very often it feels like

 

non the less, the DT 880 600 LOVES some OTL tubes. eNjoy... and don't get to attached to your k701... the dt 880 might have you sellin the AKG in a week! 

 

Nice looking watches and tubes btw! 

Hey thanks!!  Yeah I'm in Lurk mode more or less these days.  Still rockin' the tunes though.

 

So how much harder are the 600 ohms to drive (or are they difficult at all with OTL amps)?  I am not a loud music listener mind you, just loud enough to play over the sound of the heater vents and fish tank across the room.  Quiet elevator music is my volume level of choice.  My little Ear Max gets plenty loud with the K701.  Is it powerful enough to drive the 880-600 ?  Heres a pic...

 

 

thanks


Edited by kramer5150 - 1/18/14 at 9:11pm
post #6202 of 8065
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Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post

Hey thanks!!  Yeah I'm in Lurk mode more or less these days.  Still rockin' the tunes though.

So how much harder are the 600 ohms to drive (or are they difficult at all with OTL amps)?  I am not a loud music listener mind you, just loud enough to play over the sound of the heater vents and fish tank across the room.  Quiet elevator music is my volume level of choice.  My little Ear Max gets plenty loud with the K701.  Is it powerful enough to drive the 880-600 ?  Heres a pic...




thanks

Do you know how much gain the Ear Max has? 10 dB? 20 dB?
Does it have switchable gain?
What volume level do you set the Ear Max to when you use the K701?

600 Ohm Beyers usually work quite well with OTL tube amps.
I often use a La Figaro 336C OTL tube amp with my 600 Ohm Beyers.
Edited by Chris J - 1/19/14 at 5:31am
post #6203 of 8065
880/600s can gobble up some juice. I ran it on my 336se around 10-11o'clock vs 9-10 with the t90s.
post #6204 of 8065
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

880/600s can gobble up some juice. I ran it on my 336se around 10-11o'clock vs 9-10 with the t90s.

 



Because they need more voltage.
That's about where I run the volume on my 336C with my DTs.
Obviously still lots of volume control travel left.
There is no gain spec that I can find for the 336 series but they must be fairly high gain amps.
post #6205 of 8065
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Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
 

Hey thanks!!  Yeah I'm in Lurk mode more or less these days.  Still rockin' the tunes though.

 

So how much harder are the 600 ohms to drive (or are they difficult at all with OTL amps)?  I am not a loud music listener mind you, just loud enough to play over the sound of the heater vents and fish tank across the room.  Quiet elevator music is my volume level of choice.  My little Ear Max gets plenty loud with the K701.  Is it powerful enough to drive the 880-600 ?  Heres a pic...

 

 

thanks

Yea the specs on the amp would be helpful. 

post #6206 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Do you know how much gain the Ear Max has? 10 dB? 20 dB?
Does it have switchable gain?
What volume level do you set the Ear Max to when you use the K701?

600 Ohm Beyers usually work quite well with OTL tube amps.
I often use a La Figaro 336C OTL tube amp with my 600 Ohm Beyers.


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post #6207 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Do you know how much gain the Ear Max has? 10 dB? 20 dB?
Does it have switchable gain?
What volume level do you set the Ear Max to when you use the K701?

600 Ohm Beyers usually work quite well with OTL tube amps.
I often use a La Figaro 336C OTL tube amp with my 600 Ohm Beyers.

Its a fairly low gain circuit.  I am not sure exactly, but its less than my cmoy, millet and Larocco PPA.  All 3 are builds that I know are in the 4-5db vicinity, given the gain resistor values I am using.

 

If I had to estimate, my EM is in the 2-3db vicinity (4 at the very most).  The amp not gain switchable.  Its just single sided PCB, through holes.  Only a couple components are surface mounted.  So I could easily mod it to bump up the circuit gain, although doing so would reduce the usable travel on the Alps POT... right?  Do certain tubes exhibit more watt output (IE headroom) at higher gains?  if so then this might be a mod worth doing.  Although I am still hesitant, as it might also raise the nose floor.

 

When I use it with the K701, theres more than sufficient volume.  I get it to clip/distort at around the ~1:30.  For most of my listening I only turn it up to the 9:00-9:30, with 7:00 being full off counter clockwise.

 

Not sure if this matters, but the output from my modded entech DAC is pretty hot (without actually measuring it).  So given my moderate volume listening habits, my amps serve more as signal attenuators and impedance matching devices... more so than amplifying signal boosters.

 

Leaning towards the 600 ohm.  I already know it will work fine with the darkvoice 337... that ones got headroom to spare.  its the little EarMax thats more of a concern.

post #6208 of 8065

Lets flip this around and ask it the other way....

 

How many DT880 owners tried and returned or sold off a DT880-600 ohm model... because it was too hard to drive?

 

What amp did you use it with, and are you a loud volume listener?

 

thanks!!!


Edited by kramer5150 - 1/19/14 at 11:05am
post #6209 of 8065
I didn't return the 880s, I just upgraded amps. For me, I went with the e10, then e17, and was content with the objective2. only Bought a darkvoice 336 when I saw one on the fs thread, not cause I needed it. biggrin.gif

e: moderate level listener, enough to drown out external noise.
Edited by MrEleventy - 1/19/14 at 12:11pm
post #6210 of 8065
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Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
 

Lets flip this around and ask it the other way....

 

How many DT880 owners tried and returned or sold off a DT880-600 ohm model... because it was too hard to drive?

 

What amp did you use it with, and are you a loud volume listener?

 

thanks!!!

 

I didn't sell mine because it was too hard to drive - but my experience might help.

 

I started with the 250 ohm Pro.  This was back in the days before I had my LD MKIV.  Sold the Pro, bought the LD, then purchased the 600ohm 880s.  Was very happy with them - either out of my NFB-12 or LD MKIV.  More than enough volume and plenty of dynamics.  Then I got a chance to evaluate the 600s side by side with a pair of 250s.  Differences (if any) were too small between the two - but the 250 could be played straight out of my Studio Anniversary 3 DAP,  So I sold the 600's, repurchased the 250's (Premium this time) - and heavn't looked back since.

 

For pure versatility - I'd go with the 250ohm.  You aren't really losing anything sonically IMO.

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