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post #6181 of 8255
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Originally Posted by bigbenrfan99 View Post
 

This is probably a stupid question, but is the official Beyerdynamic screw-on 1/4" adapter in any way better than a generic Radioshack gold-plated pop-on 1/4" adapter?  I got the DT 880 used, and it didn't come with the adapter.

 

The adapter they come with is a little better than most generics, as far as how well it is built, but performance should be the same. Its a semi-universal screw-on adapter that works with several other brands that use screw-on adapters such as AKG so you can probably find one if you look around. But if the easiest solution is a generic, go for it. Sound quality should be the same.

 

FYI, I found a screw-on adapter on Amazon that looks identical to the ones that came with my Beyers and K712. Its a little pricey though. Look around for something like this if you want one that will screw on all the way:

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007R6MKUS

 

Also on ebay for the same price but without the supersaver/prime free shipping minimum:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271249922824


Edited by devhen - 1/16/14 at 5:00am
post #6182 of 8255
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

 

The adapter they come with is a little better than most generics, as far as how well it is built, but performance should be the same. Its a semi-universal screw-on adapter that works with several other brands that use screw-on adapters such as AKG so you can probably find one if you look around. But if the easiest solution is a generic, go for it. Sound quality should be the same.

 

FYI, I found a screw-on adapter on Amazon that looks identical to the ones that came with my Beyers and K712. Its a little pricey though. Look around for something like this if you want one that will screw on all the way:

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007R6MKUS

 

Also on ebay for the same price but without the supersaver/prime free shipping minimum:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271249922824

Thanks for the info.  I think I'll stick with the one I have.

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post #6184 of 8255

My listening style has changed.  In the past I was rarely using my top end equipment, when I did it was reference volume (realism style) and in short bursts.  This is when music is most enjoyable to me.  Hence the LCD2 and HD650 was about right for me.

 

Now I am unemployable with lots of time on my hand and I have more time to listen therefore requiring a lower volume for longer periods.  I also do not sleep at night and watch movies - spending so much time with headphones.  I no longer want to watch with reference cinema volume.  I want to hear the speech as only as loud as normal people talk without mics and amps.

 

Here is where both those headphones do not fulfill these requirements for me.  Everything sounds just a bit muffled when the volume goes down below reference.  I put on my K701 and alas a breath of fresh air.  My most used headphone now is my K701.

 

However all is not well - whilst I enjoy the K701 at very low levels at the volumes I spend the most time on - she is just a bit too lean sounding.  The HD595 was about correct - but I cannot stand its plastic cup resonance and grainy sound.  The K701 has less offensive resonance to my ears and a much smoother treble so I stick with it.

 

I am convinced for my requirements of casual listening that I need either the HD600 or perhaps the DT880, just to improve on the HD595 precision and cup resonances.  I cannot afford flagship quality for casual listening - cheaper former flagships will do just fine.

 

Can someone who has experience with both DT880 and HD600 compare them in terms of neutrality at similar volume levels?

 

The LCD2 is still my reference of high performance, however its comparable to say as an example that racing a car at the track is the most pleasurable driving experience and the more you push it for longer period the closer you come to injury.  These cars are not designed for cruising and will not be comfortable cruising and so the need arises for a comfortable cruiser - for which I will spend more time than racing.  I do feel older also with this back injury of mine slowing down all my movements - which has changed my character overall as well.

 

Its odd Movies have always taught me about audio as much as music has.  Reference playback volume for cinema - as intended...but I have never heard anyone talk so loud in such a relaxed manner without having to scream that just does not exist in the real world.


Edited by SP Wild - 1/17/14 at 9:43am
post #6185 of 8255

The great thing about the DT 880 is it does well... with Movies, at LOUD volumes and quiet ones.

 

Although I've never found I enjoy a headphone more the LOUDER IT IS, I usually listen rather quietly [ironic for the guy running all balanced amps huh lol] 

 

Still if you don't have an 880... get one! Or maybe try the new HE 560 or 400i when they come out, the HE 400 was enjoyable for me as well... it sounded funny in the upper mids, but  hopefully the 400i solves that

 

or trade your LCD 2 for a T1. I'm sure some one might go for it! The T1 should be a new refrance level on par with the LCD 2 and above the k701 

post #6186 of 8255

Thanks mate but my LCD2 goes no where.  I suspect that the DT880 should be good for normal speech volume.  Cinema is reference, but no one can speak casually so loudly.

 

OTOH how can people spend money on state of the art engineering and not enjoy music in a way everyone does in some point of their life...loudly like in a real orchestra or live performance...if just for a short while.  Imagine the primal humans were banging on their drums softly for fear of hearing damage?  Its like sex, short period of extreme pleasure and you want to maximise these fleeting moments in life.

 

I guarantee that when man first invented music, his next thought was to do the same but louder. How can one claim to understand the concept of music without understanding the power of music.  I'll just drive this racing car slowly around because of fear of injury.  I'll buy the latest home theatre but never ever crank it up to cinema reference.  One should because if it sounds terrible at reference level something is wrong. I am waiting for that post when someone declares they wear ear protection to the cinema and everyone congratulating this person for being anally retentive.

 

Its the same with bass haters.  I guarantee primal drummers kept paralleling drums and were not satisfied until the bass waves smacked their chest and shook the ground in worship of the gods of destruction.  Music always started with the beat of the heart.  You just have to understand boxing...Sugar Ray Robinson - Idol to Mohammed Ali fought to the beat of his heart.  His heart was his clock.

 

Also blame yo mamma for drilling this into you.

 

Why can't people understand? kd;svnf ;gagi urgh!!!!

 

My question is, does someone here have both HD600 and DT880 and can help me by explaining to me in professional audio terms how the tonality is different from these two in HZ and KHZ - or whatever common lingo such as low bass, midbass, low midrange, upper mid, treble etc. 

post #6187 of 8255
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Thanks mate but my LCD2 goes no where.  I suspect that the DT880 should be good for normal speech volume.  Cinema is reference, but no one can speak casually so loudly.

 

OTOH how can people spend money on state of the art engineering and not enjoy music in a way everyone does in some point of their life...loudly like in a real orchestra or live performance...if just for a short while.  Imagine the primal humans were banging on their drums softly for fear of hearing damage?  Its like sex, short period of extreme pleasure and you want to maximise these fleeting moments in life.

 

I guarantee that when man first invented music, his next thought was to do the same but louder. How can one claim to understand the concept of music without understanding the power of music.  I'll just drive this racing car slowly around because of fear of injury.  I'll buy the latest home theatre but never ever crank it up to cinema reference.  One should because if it sounds terrible at reference level something is wrong. I am waiting for that post when someone declares they wear ear protection to the cinema and everyone congratulating this person for being anally retentive.

 

Its the same with bass haters.  I guarantee primal drummers kept paralleling drums and were not satisfied until the bass waves smacked their chest and shook the ground in worship of the gods of destruction.  Music always started with the beat of the heart.  You just have to understand boxing...Sugar Ray Robinson - Idol to Mohammed Ali fought to the beat of his heart.  His heart was his clock.

 

Also blame yo mamma for drilling this into you.

 

Why can't people understand? kd;svnf ;gagi urgh!!!!

 

My question is, does someone here have both HD600 and DT880 and can help me by explaining to me in professional audio terms how the tonality is different from these two in HZ and KHZ - or whatever common lingo such as low bass, midbass, low midrange, upper mid, treble etc. 

LOL i DON'T LIKE loud music, it HURTS my ears. thank you... and from time to time to do crank my Dub Step alittle louder than normal

 

and speed or vo.lume isn't everything, some race cars and races are more about control, cornering, ect...

 

I'd rather pull 65 around a sharp bend than 180 on a striaght away 

post #6188 of 8255
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

LOL i DON'T LIKE loud music, it HURTS my ears. thank you... and from time to time to do crank my Dub Step alittle louder than normal

 

and speed or vo.lume isn't everything, some race cars and races are more about control, cornering, ect...

 

I'd rather pull 65 around a sharp bend than 180 on a striaght away 

 

yeah, thanks for that...I feel better now.

 

:o

post #6189 of 8255
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

My listening style has changed.  In the past I was rarely using my top end equipment, when I did it was reference volume (realism style) and in short bursts.  This is when music is most enjoyable to me.  Hence the LCD2 and HD650 was about right for me.

 

Now I am unemployable with lots of time on my hand and I have more time to listen therefore requiring a lower volume for longer periods.  I also do not sleep at night and watch movies - spending so much time with headphones.  I no longer want to watch with reference cinema volume.  I want to hear the speech as only as loud as normal people talk without mics and amps.

 

Here is where both those headphones do not fulfill these requirements for me.  Everything sounds just a bit muffled when the volume goes down below reference.  I put on my K701 and alas a breath of fresh air.  My most used headphone now is my K701.

 

However all is not well - whilst I enjoy the K701 at very low levels at the volumes I spend the most time on - she is just a bit too lean sounding.  The HD595 was about correct - but I cannot stand its plastic cup resonance and grainy sound.  The K701 has less offensive resonance to my ears and a much smoother treble so I stick with it.

 

I am convinced for my requirements of casual listening that I need either the HD600 or perhaps the DT880, just to improve on the HD595 precision and cup resonances.  I cannot afford flagship quality for casual listening - cheaper former flagships will do just fine.

 

Can someone who has experience with both DT880 and HD600 compare them in terms of neutrality at similar volume levels?

 

The LCD2 is still my reference of high performance, however its comparable to say as an example that racing a car at the track is the most pleasurable driving experience and the more you push it for longer period the closer you come to injury.  These cars are not designed for cruising and will not be comfortable cruising and so the need arises for a comfortable cruiser - for which I will spend more time than racing.  I do feel older also with this back injury of mine slowing down all my movements - which has changed my character overall as well.

 

Its odd Movies have always taught me about audio as much as music has.  Reference playback volume for cinema - as intended...but I have never heard anyone talk so loud in such a relaxed manner without having to scream that just does not exist in the real world.

I own the DT880 and have heard the HD600 before. I thought the HD600 had more exaggerated lower mids and mids in general while having really laidback treble and highs. I think the HD600 might be better at higher volumes but I just didn't like the "veil." Think whole DT880 vs HD600/HD650 thing is really a preference of sound and how well your ears handle treble and highs. I think most of the time people dislike the DT880s because they aren't being powered correctly or they are very sensitive to treble/have bad recordings.

 

The DT880s are brutally honest headphones. They will tell me which of my recordings are on par and which ones aren't. Thus I trashed most of my .mp3 library after being unable to listen to most of it. Keep in mind this isn't placebo. I am used to hearing "loudness" in certain frequencies or just the feeling that everything was overly compressed(because it is). Meanwhile my Sennheiser HD280s aren't nearly resolving enough to distinguish these subtle differences and they are good for .mp3s.

 

Once you buy these headphones and listen to .FLAC vs poor quality .mp3s you will trash most of your old library. My library is now 77% .FLAC and I have about 100GB of music.

post #6190 of 8255

Much appreciated.  It is what I suspect...the HD600 too close to HD650.  I don't find the K701 too bad for casual listening - just needs that upper mid resonance kept under check.  Anyone wanna straight swap on a brand new looking K701?

post #6191 of 8255
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

OTOH how can people spend money on state of the art engineering and not enjoy music in a way everyone does in some point of their life...loudly like in a real orchestra or live performance...if just for a short while.  Imagine the primal humans were banging on their drums softly for fear of hearing damage?  Its like sex, short period of extreme pleasure and you want to maximise these fleeting moments in life.

 

I guarantee that when man first invented music, his next thought was to do the same but louder. How can one claim to understand the concept of music without understanding the power of music.  I'll just drive this racing car slowly around because of fear of injury.  I'll buy the latest home theatre but never ever crank it up to cinema reference.  One should because if it sounds terrible at reference level something is wrong. I am waiting for that post when someone declares they wear ear protection to the cinema and everyone congratulating this person for being anally retentive.

 

Its the same with bass haters.  I guarantee primal drummers kept paralleling drums and were not satisfied until the bass waves smacked their chest and shook the ground in worship of the gods of destruction.

 

 

But fortunately we've passed beyond such primitivism. Oh wait, apparently we haven't!  :p

 

But seriously, this is a thoughtful post that I must nevertheless reluctantly take issue with, most notably the underlined sentence. I often used to take ear protection to the cinema (I don't go anymore--nothing of interest). I'm a great believer in realism, but frankly, a lot of cinema owners must be ex-headbangers, because the levels are often ridiculous.  There's a point beyond which realism becomes sheer pain, and these days so many people have, or are developing, tinnitus, which makes the ears even more sensitive. To paraphrase the old saying, None so deaf as those who...went to the cinema too often. Or to paraphrase the Bible, 'He who has ears to hear...is very fortunate indeed, yea verily'.

 

I agree with much of the rest. The power of music is an esssential part of its enjoyment (unless you're listening to Vaughan-Williams's 'The Lark Ascending', in which case it isn't. :biggrin:). And I think you're right about needing to listen to a system at realistic levels to determine if it's performing optimally. But one has to be practical. The ear is a delicate instrument. Every beat of the drum bends those little ear hairs over like reeds in the wind, and if you make that wind a hurricane too often sooner or later the reeds will stay bent--and then you'll be sorry. Absolutely no one wants bent reeds in their ears.

post #6192 of 8255
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

yeah, thanks for that...I feel better now.

 

:o

actually sadly I have the D2k for my CRANKIN Dub STEPPIN

 

everything OTHER than Dub Step I like poliete and quiet... dub step is about extremes for me that SLAMMIN bass and sharp high hats. 

post #6193 of 8255

Hey all,

 

I sometimes wish I still had a DT880, but I have too many phones as it is. Maybe one day another one will grace me with it's presence..

post #6194 of 8255
I only put the volume up on rare occasions--there are some songs where it just makes the experience better. But the vast majority of the time I stay at medium volume. So far I've been lucky and haven't lost much of my high end hearing--I'm solid through 18 kHz, which is above average for somebody in his mid-20s. I intend to hold onto that as long as nature allows, since upper treble air is very important to my enjoyment of a fine recording. Sustained high volume listening just isn't worth it to me.
post #6195 of 8255
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

 

 

But fortunately we've passed beyond such primitivism. Oh wait, apparently we haven't!  :p

 

But seriously, this is a thoughtful post that I must nevertheless reluctantly take issue with, most notably the underlined sentence. I often used to take ear protection to the cinema (I don't go anymore--nothing of interest). I'm a great believer in realism, but frankly, a lot of cinema owners must be ex-headbangers, because the levels are often ridiculous.  There's a point beyond which realism becomes sheer pain, and these days so many people have, or are developing, tinnitus, which makes the ears even more sensitive. To paraphrase the old saying, None so deaf as those who...went to the cinema too often. Or to paraphrase the Bible, 'He who has ears to hear...is very fortunate indeed, yea verily'.

 

I agree with much of the rest. The power of music is an esssential part of its enjoyment (unless you're listening to Vaughan-Williams's 'The Lark Ascending', in which case it isn't. :biggrin:). And I think you're right about needing to listen to a system at realistic levels to determine if it's performing optimally. But one has to be practical. The ear is a delicate instrument. Every beat of the drum bends those little ear hairs over like reeds in the wind, and if you make that wind a hurricane too often sooner or later the reeds will stay bent--and then you'll be sorry. Absolutely no one wants bent reeds in their ears.

 

Haha, you're the anally retentive one that I predicted would come forward.  Yeah, most cinemas have rubbish sound, some movie have rubbish sound and when that happens the reference level hurts...but I have found paying more for them upmarket cinemas with spacious seats - they sounded - not bright.  A well tuned home theater system with good soundtracks heaps better than any cinema.  Then again - when the action starts it generally doesn't last forever before they settle down to the quiet parts.

 

The only time I ever suffered from very annoying tinnitus were the days when I was making constant evaluations between gears - even then it was very moderate levels, but the hours on end day in day out testing took its toll.  I don't do this anymore and never have trouble with tinnitus.  Even when listening on infrequently but only loudly - I have no problems with tinnitus.

 

Its very easy to get hearing damage from headphones...without a doubt.  But listening to a few of your current favorite tracks in one sitting cranked right up on occassions pose no harm - we are well adapted to handle those occasions.

 

And by the way, I applaud your decision to take action to protect your hearing even at the expense of being labelled anally retentive...:D

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