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post #6031 of 8210
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Originally Posted by i luvmusic 2 View Post
 

DT880 600 Ohms does not like LD 1+ that much.

I have the Little Dot MKIII and they play very nice together IMO.

post #6032 of 8210
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Originally Posted by CADCAM View Post
 

I have the Little Dot MKIII and they play very nice together IMO.

Same here i have both 1+ and MK III on MK III it sound smooth.

post #6033 of 8210

How's the Aune T1 with these and what tube do you recommend?

 

Thanks

post #6034 of 8210

Got my 880s/600s recently with a LD Mk V amp, way more comfy than my Sennheiser 580s and I feel less fatiguing too :)  However I do feel they lack a bit in bass, any  suggestions (software dsp or hardware) to help this?  Or is the answer 900s...haha!

post #6035 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Kanine View Post
 

Got my 880s/600s recently with a LD Mk V amp, way more comfy than my Sennheiser 580s and I feel less fatiguing too :)  However I do feel they lack a bit in bass, any  suggestions (software dsp or hardware) to help this?  Or is the answer 900s...haha!

 

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As you see there's no lack of bass in the DT880/600. Give yourself time to get used to balanced bass rather than (perhaps) the more exaggerated kind you're used to. Also burning in will help. In short, give it time.

post #6036 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Kanine View Post
 

Got my 880s/600s recently with a LD Mk V amp, way more comfy than my Sennheiser 580s and I feel less fatiguing too :)  However I do feel they lack a bit in bass, any  suggestions (software dsp or hardware) to help this?  Or is the answer 900s...haha!

if you use foobar 2k there's a bass exciter component that allows your to change the bass or eq the bass up a bit.

post #6037 of 8210

Thanks, however I run a mac so I don't think I can use that.  I tried the apple eq and it just made things sound very bad and distorted.

 

Also RE: Burning in - they were used so already burned in.  I do have quite a taste for moderate bass so not sure how much better they will get :( !

post #6038 of 8210
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Originally Posted by exSpire View Post
 

How's the Aune T1 with these and what tube do you recommend?

 

Thanks

I love it ..as for tubes ..some of my favorites are Valvo (red) ,Amperex,Genalex Gold Lion...there is a lot of tubes to choose from  (steel pined tubes are fine for T1 )


Edited by spacequeen7 - 1/5/14 at 1:09pm
post #6039 of 8210
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

 

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As you see there's no lack of bass in the DT880/600. Give yourself time to get used to balanced bass rather than (perhaps) the more exaggerated kind you're used to. Also burning in will help. In short, give it time.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Honkytime View Post
 

if you use foobar 2k there's a bass exciter component that allows your to change the bass or eq the bass up a bit.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Kanine View Post
 

Thanks, however I run a mac so I don't think I can use that.  I tried the apple eq and it just made things sound very bad and distorted.

 

Also RE: Burning in - they were used so already burned in.  I do have quite a taste for moderate bass so not sure how much better they will get :( !

 

Just want to let you know I felt the same way about these headphones, in fact I thought they sounded terrible in comparison to my HD280's when I first bought them. They sounded tinny, lacked any sort of resolving, soundstage was exaggerated, and the bass was anemic.

 

** P.S. This was running them off of a crappy $50 headphone amplifier that required the volume to be set at 8 out of 10(being the highest) to get adequate volume.

 

So this was the result off of running them from my motherboard DAC and a crappy $50 headphone amp.

 

200 hours burned in later I was using them with an HT Omega Claro soundcard straight to the $50 cheapo headphone amp as a passive route. They actually sounded decent but lacked coherence in instrument separation and clarity and were still bass shy.

 

500 hours burned in and  - $900 (Schiit Asgard2, Schiit Bifrost Uber, recable) later I really found true synergy with these babies. I found most songs more than tolerable with a flat EQ and the bass texture being almost exactly on point (slightly modest in presentation though) they sound airy and necessary for certain types of music such as Led Zeppelin ;] and John Denver on the acoustic guitar.

 

Now if you want to know a really good EQ for your DT880s that will make them more like their sibling the DT990s try this one out on Foobar2000. Turn up your volume a clock or 2 more to compensate for EQing downwards. BTW I only use EQ for poorly mastered(loud) music.

 

post #6040 of 8210
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

I'm mainly worried about them being too bright, and lacking body through the midrange. When I had them, before I sent them off for repairs, with what I could tell only having the right side to listen to, they sounded too bright and thin. However, I'm not making any conclusions off that at all, as from my experience headphones get quite a lot brighter and thinner when listening only with one ear, in general. The only reason I'm worried is because brightness and a lack of body are things commonly complained about, and it certainly sounded noticeably brighter and thinner than the CAL with one ear... So we'll see. However, there were promising things that I could tell for certain from the right side.

 

I was quite impressed with their speed and cleanliness. Also the detail and texture was quite noteworthy, definitely more-so than my other headphones I've owned. Another complaint about the DT880 you see is a lack of bass, but for my tastes (and what I could tell from the right side) it sounded very nice! It reached very low, was very tight and well defined and so well separated from everything else (though that's supposed to apply to the DT880 throughout). Definitely not weak at all, just not very (if at all) emphasized. Nice and linear. It's the most balanced bass I've personally heard from a headphone. I have eclectic music tastes, which include Hip Hop and Electronica, but even for those uses I don't like MASSIVE bass as so many beginners do. It just sounds unnatural, so I think the DT880 might fare OK with those genres for me, I hope. Also, my previous few headphones have been closed, and I've missed that airy, open sound that open headphones have. The DT880 certainly has that in spades.

 

Note, that my listening was done from my Audio GD NFB15.32, which has a solid state amp. From what I heard (and have read / been advised) it's more than capable to amp the DT880 600s, but I know that the DT880 has a nearly unanimous reputation for needing tubes. So, when I finally get to hear them, if I think they're within my tolerance levels but would benefit from some taming in the treble and some added warmth and body, then I'll invest in an OTL Tube Amp. I've done my homework on that front and am strongly leaning towards the La Figaro (Darkvoice, but allegedly better) 336c.  $280US shipped seems fair. It'd be nice to have both a tube and solid state at my disposal. I read a review comparing it to the Bottlehead Crack and it apparently fared very well in comparison.

 

The headphones also are solidly built, and from the short amount of time I've worn them, seem very comfortable. The foam/fabric insert on the left side just touches my ear, but I don't think it'd be enough for any significant issues. I believe they'll pass just fine for all day use.

 

So, fingers crossed.

IF you want a tube for your DT 880, get a 600 ohm and a Schiit vali, drive the Vali from your Audio GD amp and I PROMISE you will love it

 

I've got a Schiit Vali and a NFB 10ES2 and and very much enjoy the Vali's sound :3

 

I how ever do like the Dt 880 better out of my Balanced Solid State than I do the Vali, how ever the Vali really adds some nice mid range body and takes teh treble down just a hair, so for $119 the Vali would make your DT 880 sing! I've not heard the DarkVoice, but... ALL the hype about the Vali was... well validated, so :D GET A VALI and enjoy it's glorious sound on your DT 880! Then you can take ur extra money and invest in a Hifiman HM 601LE

 

I really enjoyed my DT 880 out of my old HM601, back then I had a 250 ohm variant an the Hm601 could run my DT 880 unAmped which was nice, non the less the DT 880 does like warm gear, I how ever prefer it with... Cleaner colder gear my self! 

post #6041 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I how ever do like the Dt 880 better out of my Balanced Solid State than I do the Vali, how ever the Vali really adds some nice mid range body and takes teh treble down just a hair, so for $119 the Vali would make your DT 880 sing! I've not heard the DarkVoice, but... ALL the hype about the Vali was... well validated, so :D GET A VALI and enjoy it's glorious sound on your DT 880! Then you can take ur extra money and invest in a Hifiman HM 601LE

You're the catalyst for everything DT880. You really need to hear an HE4 if a DT880 is right up your alley. The HE4 does everything that the DT880 better. They do sound fantastic out of the Audio-GF NFB-10SE balanced. Hurry though, once those HE400i and HE560 releases I'm sure HE4s will be phased out.

post #6042 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

You're the catalyst for everything DT880. You really need to hear an HE4 if a DT880 is right up your alley. The HE4 does everything that the DT880 better. They do sound fantastic out of the Audio-GF NFB-10SE balanced. Hurry though, once those HE400i and HE560 releases I'm sure HE4s will be phased out.


Don't know about that, I found the 880s to have more clarity, but the HE400 does indeed have a rich and inviting sound that is very hard not to enjoy.

post #6043 of 8210
Maybe by a hair on clarity in the highs, some mids. Lows and low mids I'll have to disagree, I feel the HE4 delivers that spectrum better but only to be slightly covered by the highs. Properly driven, the he4 is overall superior imo. I'm modding mine now to lower the treble by a notch but still keep the airy sound, I believe a slight tweak will give better clarity overall by calming the highs just one click. As of now with pleather pads and the star felt removed, clarity is a step above the dt880 from low to high mids. Although missing that airy sound pre-mod and that the DT880 is known for.
Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 1/9/14 at 5:53pm
post #6044 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

You're the catalyst for everything DT880. You really need to hear an HE4 if a DT880 is right up your alley. The HE4 does everything that the DT880 better. They do sound fantastic out of the Audio-GF NFB-10SE balanced. Hurry though, once those HE400i and HE560 releases I'm sure HE4s will be phased out.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 


Don't know about that, I found the 880s to have more clarity, but the HE400 does indeed have a rich and inviting sound that is very hard not to enjoy.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Maybe by a hair on clarity in the highs, some mids. Lows and low mids I'll have to disagree, I feel the HE4 delivers that spectrum better but only to be slightly covered by the highs. Properly driven, the he4 is overall superior imo. I'm modding mine now to lower the treble by a notch but still keep the airy sound, I believe a slight tweak will give better clarity overall by calming the highs just one click. As of now with pleather pads and the star felt removed, clarity is a step above the dt880 from low to high mids. Although missing that airy sound pre-mod and that the DT880 is known for.

We are talking about the HE 4, not the HE 400, I owned an HE 400 it had no upper mids and even more treble than my dt 990

 

so now it's gone 

 

And I have a feeling By March I'll be able to get an HE 4... though I'm not sure if I want to get an HE 4 or finally get around to getting a RSA Balance Amp... my pb1 is kinda... lack luster. Sonically it sounds fine but I busted the Gain switch so it's stuck on high Gain which means I can only use it with my DT 880 as my W1000x and D2k don't have any volume controls :/ and too much noise due to all dat GAIN >.> I might Ninja and get both q.q 

post #6045 of 8210

So, I'm pretty much an audio noob who just bought his first set of headphones and I seem to have either misunderstood something or I've been scammed.

The thing is, I bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT880 600Ohm headphones and ordered a Schiit Magni + Modi at the same time. Now the headphones arrived a few days ago while the company that imports the Schiit stuff is still processing my order, so I thought my 600Ohm headphones would be useless until then.

Of course I couldn't resist trying them on and just plugging them into my laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad E520) just to see what would happen if I tried listening to stuff without an amp and how impedance would effect the experience. Now, from what I read online (mainly here) about 600Ohm impedance I expected to hear nothing or a very soft sound at best, but to my surprise they worked just fine... Even when plugged into my old MP3-Player the only complaint I have is that the sound is a bit distorted, I believe some cheap Sennheiser headphones I have sound less loud than the DT880's do at full volume.

I immediately thought they send me the wrong version of the DT880's, but the box says '600 Ohm' everywhere. There is even a big silver "600 Ω VERSION AUDIOPHILE MODEL' sticker on the box. Then I checked the headphone-jack and there is definitively '600 Ω' engraved in there.

 

Someone thought it might be because the DT880 are fairly sensitive (96dB SPL), even though they have a high impedance. he said this causes them to only need around 0.4mW or 0.489V to drive them to 90dB or 12.58mW and 2.74V to drive them to 105dB, which isn't that much. Could this really be the answer?


tl;dr: My 600 Ohm DT880's sound just fine even when plugged into my laptop audio-port or old-as-F Sony MP3-player.

So now my question: Is this very strange and have I been cheated somehow or am I just a huge noob who doesn't get impedance?

Thank you in advance for putting up with my audio-noobness.

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