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post #5956 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

I would say your general point is correct, that since the amp resulted in this difference in balance, it is a significantly better experience. Being unable to play the headphones at sufficient volume, either at all or else without audible performance degradation, is a serious impediment to the overall performance of the system. What I'm arguing is that people might be attributing the improvement they hear in properly amping their headphones solely to the amp, as though there were some intrinsic property of the amp itself that caused the effect. In fact, assuming my hypothesis is correct, a large part of the improvement comes much further down the signal chain, in the listener's own ears.

 

It's largely an issue of semantics, except that it also predicts your other point, that the difference between a $1,500 amp and a $5,000 one shouldn't be tremendous, since the improvement that comes from properly powering the headphones is already sunk--both amps will produce sufficient clean power for the headphone to reach the desired listening amplitude. Any difference in performance, then, will come down to differences in design, and this will probably be a lot more subtle (unless there's some kind of electrical mismatch between the headphone and the amp).

 

The main point I'm getting at with all this is that a lot of people express the belief that the initial level of improvement they get from properly amping (and therefore being able to reach desired volume without noticeable performance loss) will continue to be realized each time they upgrade. I'm sort of throwing out the idea that this initial improvement is something you'll hear with any amp that has the chops to power your cans, and that any additional theoretical improvement from upgrading to an even more expensive amp isn't going to be of the same nature or magnitude.

 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, I love the 880 thread, always so chill and with plenty of great information. I like how you illustrated the intrinsic difference between two capable amps as mostly being "sunk", and the point of diminishing return being perhaps quickly past as you climb up the amplification food chain.

post #5957 of 8065
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post
 

Wow... One would think that a headphone with a 5000+ post appreciation thread would have some merits. Over on that "Pirate" site they confirm all your findings. They don't seem to care for any 'Sones at all, which is really to bad cause I love my 780's for EDM.

 

FWIW I think stuff like Infected Mushroom would sound bloody brilliant on the PRO 750. They are still very bassy headphones just not to the ridiculous level the PRO 900 are where it negatively effects the performance. I found the PRO 750 to have the most and best bass texture and bass resolution of any headphones I've heard and that includes the PRO 900 and even the TH600 (though the TH600 is several leagues up from the PROs in every other way).

 

EDIT: I'm not sure if the 750's would be any better than your 780's, I've only heard the 750 and 900, but the 780 doesn't have the titanium coated drivers the 750 and 900 have. That could be one of the reasons for the awesome bass detail.


Edited by devhen - 12/21/13 at 9:36pm
post #5958 of 8065

Hey guys. quick question. 

Will a Vali/modi be enough to power DT880 600ohm if I plan on connecting it directly to my computer as a source with optical?

 

edit- just bought them on amazon. I'm guessing I just need the rca cable and usb male a to male b?


Edited by brennanx1 - 12/22/13 at 12:48pm
post #5959 of 8065
Modi is usb only, no optical option. I think Vali should be enough. Shenay has both the Vali and dt880/600, and enjoys the combo
post #5960 of 8065

Great, thank you. I can't wait :D

post #5961 of 8065

I really like my Beringher UAC 202 Dac, cost me $30, as far as an amp goes you could swing the Uac 202 and the Schiit Vali for about $150! I was using that with my laptop recently actually [finally got my Desktop to my new house today... ]

 

that said you could also go Solid State, and get a combo unit like the JDS Labs C5D, they have a C5amp/Dac combo they just released. It had more than enough volts to drive mt DT 880 sufficently! 

post #5962 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I really like my Beringher UAC 202 Dac, cost me $30, as far as an amp goes you could swing the Uac 202 and the Schiit Vali for about $150! I was using that with my laptop recently actually [finally got my Desktop to my new house today... ]

 

that said you could also go Solid State, and get a combo unit like the JDS Labs C5D, they have a C5amp/Dac combo they just released. It had more than enough volts to drive mt DT 880 sufficently! 

 

I have one of those--the 222, actually, which I think is just a red 202. It's a bit noisy, but otherwise it does a good enough job for my purposes. I bought it as a stopgap until I could get a better piece of recording hardware (which I've never actually done) but decided to use it as a DAC because it's got to be better than using the headphone output on my computer.

post #5963 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

 

I have one of those--the 222, actually, which I think is just a red 202. It's a bit noisy, but otherwise it does a good enough job for my purposes. I bought it as a stopgap until I could get a better piece of recording hardware (which I've never actually done) but decided to use it as a DAC because it's got to be better than using the headphone output on my computer.

exactly, and yea it's a smidge noisy but again for the price it's great. and if you need an INTRO dac amp set up, this and like a Tube would be a nice cheap intro to gear! 

 

B WORD UP IN HERE (Click to show)
as much as I enjoyed the Vali with my Hm801 and Dt 880... I have to say now that I have my NFb 10ES2 back >.> I have missed it. I do like the extra touch of warmth and fun the Vali has, and it's very heavy sub bass! 
 
How ever, I still prefer the sound signiture of my NFB 10ES2.  [doing some quick comparisons]
 
How ever... the W1000x... HANDS DOWN sounds GORGEOUS out of the Vali x NFb10ES2 [Dac Line Out] 
 
which is really why I got the Vali :D, 
 
ANd I'll elaborate, with the Vali I feel the DT 880 is better for all around, it handles rock and vocals nicely on the vali. There's more intimacy and richness with guitars and voices on the Vali [a little extra decay] , not to mention that kickin bass
 
how ever teh NFB10ES2 is has a more spacious sound, a more delicate presentation of the mids [little less decay] and the over all placement of instruments is better. The bass is also faster, so for classical I find the NFB 10ES2 to compliment the DT 880 VERY well/
 
But again, going back to the W1000x, for my and for my set up. The DT 880 can not nor will ever present vocals and guitars with the same magic as the W1000x. I own them both for a reason, and I find what I like about the W1000x is amplified on the Vali, what I like about my DT 880 is amplified on my NFb10ES2
 
Looks like I might be living with my SE W1000x for a bit long ;3... JK 
 
Still I'll b doing a proper review here shortly 

Edited by Mshenay - 12/22/13 at 10:35pm
post #5964 of 8065
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Originally Posted by vai0 View Post

<$200, preferably around 100. This is for a laptop, I understand I can't get everything out of a DT880 600ohm for $100 but I'm trying to find the best solution with what I can afford.

Believe it or not, but a FiiO E17 works just fine with 600 Ohm '880s and a laptop.

Just don't expect skull crushing volume, but it does go loud enough for me.
You can always add a FiiO E12 later (for example).
post #5965 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Believe it or not, but a FiiO E17 works just fine with 600 Ohm '880s and a laptop.

Just don't expect skull crushing volume, but it does go loud enough for me.
You can always add a FiiO E12 later (for example).

Yea the E17 would work, I've drivin my DT 880 600 ohm to a sufficent volume out of an onboard mobo headphone out before! Sounded pretty meh but it got plenty loud enough for me, so if you like me don't enjoy LOUD music, the E17 should work nicely. 

post #5966 of 8065

This makes me happy, I ordered one yesterday thinking I would get it and need an extra amp. If the +12 gain is the same as the +12 on the Xonar STX then it will be enough.

post #5967 of 8065
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Originally Posted by vai0 View Post

This makes me happy, I ordered one yesterday thinking I would get it and need an extra amp. If the +12 gain is the same as the +12 on the Xonar STX then it will be enough.


 



Right!
Turn the gain onto it's highest setting and you will be OK!

You can also get the FiiO E09K further on down the road.
Either the E09K or E12 will give you a bit more grunt when used with your E17 and 600 Ohm '880s.
post #5968 of 8065

 

I just fell in love with my DT880 again. I'm listening to Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon in 24-bit 96khz quad vinyl rip. I have my EQ set to flat and with the Asgard 2 Bifrost pairing they sound just right to me with rock and other properly mastered tracks.

 

It makes me glad that I did not opt to ask for an ALO The Island DAC/amp combo for Christmas. I'm not ready to move to portable yet and an iPad mini has been something I've been needing to increase my school productivity next year in college : D

post #5969 of 8065
hurray! nice to hear ur njoying it again

I still find the dt 880 to b the king of video games n movie OSTs played some Batman Arkham Asslym on mah pc today... it sounded glorius
post #5970 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

hurray! nice to hear ur njoying it again

I still find the dt 880 to b the king of video games n movie OSTs played some Batman Arkham Asslym on mah pc today... it sounded glorius

Awesome! I play Counter-Strike Global Offensive with them a lot on PC and I think they sound great. I also use an optical input into my Schiit Bifrost from the PS3 while I play GTA V : ]

 

Hey MShenay I hear you like EDM. Have you heard of the album Settle by the group Disclosure? It's a really neat album to hear all the frequencies and airiness of the DT880 that helps it perform so well. I have it unequalized and my DT880 is still whumping with bass

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