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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

 

I have a KR-6030 from around that era. There's some impedance mismatch between its headphone output (probably > 100 ohm output impedance) and my 250 ohm DT880, so it hisses and loses a bit of bass control. Despite this, I still think it sounds perfectly pleasant, with slightly rolled off treble and a tiny bit of extra bloom in the midbass. I wouldn't quite call it synergy, since it's likely a result of an electrical mismatch rather than any intrinsic coloration to the amp itself, but it's still not a bad-sounding combination.




Yes true..
Edited by dyang - 12/15/13 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 


My best friend bought a stack of Schiit (Magni/Modi) and when I plugged my 7000s into them I was pretty happy. The first piece of music I played was Hotel California live off of the Hell Freezes Over album. Really nice sounding, dynamic, good pace, felt plenty tight and controlled, no crazy frequency shifts, just good solid clean sound. For $200 WTF? I'm in my mid forties, and I have been listening to gear all of my life, and while nobody could claim Schiit gear was without fault, however, their stuff is most definitely good gear worth the retail, and in my opinion at full retail the value is excellent. I owned a Valhalla for a little more than a year and I have now had my DAC for about six months. I say you can't go wrong at least trying the Schiit stack for that price. 

agree'd

 

I'm rather happy I got my Vali New. Definatly worth the retail price! 

 

Beyers are too as a matter of fact, but.... I like making friends in the F/s section so I'll stick with used for the time being >.>

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

So let's just forget the balanced vs SE thing atm

 

FOR AUDIO GD AMPS, the Balanced out sounds better than the SE, that's due to the amps designed. It was designed to run balanced, so the amp sounds the cleanest and most tactile balanced out. Now that said, seeing as you have an AUdio GD amp it may be best to go ahead and shoot over to Brian at BTG audio and see if he can do you a recable for around $130 ish [balanced recable] or just a retermination for like $50 or so

 

OR you can try to DIY it :3, either way plz do use your Audio GD amp balanced. 

 

Now there is a chance that another SE Amp may have just as nice a sound as the balanced Audio GD... 

 

Also one of the biggest reasons I went balanced, was because I was TIRED of ppl argueing over how powerful an amp you needed for 600 ohm or an Ortho... so I said screw it let's just go balanced and not worry about "under powering" anything ever again. That and when I found a Balanced dt 880 600 ohm for $235 [which is the price for a new Pro] that kinda forced me to switch into balanced to.

 

Any how gad ur likeing ur Audio GD amp, is yours an NFB 10es3 btw?

 

You mentioned the "B" word.

Someone get out The Punishment Stick.

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Yeah, and after meeting the stick, drop and give us 20.

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

Yeah, and after meeting the stick, drop and give us 20.

 

The alternative is Ariana Grande pulls his pants down and spanks his little bottom.


Edited by Chris J - 12/15/13 at 7:11am
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Someone point me to the proper balanced vs SE thread please. I'm interested on the scientific aspect of it
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You mentioned the "B" word.
Someone get out The Punishment Stick.
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Someone point me to the proper balanced vs SE thread please. I'm interested on the scientific aspect of it

 

Try this, a few pages of idiotic blathering by all participants, especially me!

http://www.head-fi.org/t/515737/can-a-single-ended-amp-be-truly-balanced/30#post_10036610

 

The thread also has some very interesting links!

Ignore the Slew rate argument, for a headphone, it's actually trivial.

The signal needed to drive headphone is so small (i.e. low enough Voltage) and so bandwidth limited that almost any respectable amp has a high enough Slew Rate for 'phones.


Edited by Chris J - 12/15/13 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

 

You mentioned the "B" word.

Someone get out The Punishment Stick.

I give up 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I give up 

 

Snazzy new avatar, though. I suppose we could let you off for that. :D

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I give up 

 

You do not accept the punishment?

Then I will take the punishment for you!

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

 

You do not accept the punishment?

Then I will take the punishment for you!

*flips table* welp I accidently stubbed my toe flippin this big thing... is that punishment enough? xD 

post #5847 of 10431
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Someone point me to the proper balanced vs SE thread please. I'm interested on the scientific aspect of it

Asked Mshenay.

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

*flips table* welp I accidently stubbed my toe flippin this big thing... is that punishment enough? xD 

 

Hmmmm, I would have taken the punishment myself.   :tongue_smile:

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Originally Posted by i luvmusic 2 View Post
 

Asked Mshenay.

Warning: B WORD (Click to show)

Check the sound science thread out, my claims are based on my observation. My decision to go balanced was for the power. At the end of the day, Balanced output amplifiers offer more power output than a SE.

 

I was having concerns with the quality of my Beyer DT 880 600 ohm being driven from amps without enough power... so to end ALL of my worries. I got a Pb1 and a NFB 10ES2. TUrns out in addition to the increase in power, I observed better sound from the balanced out put on both my NFb 10ES2 and my PB1.

 

As for the scientific benifits, google might be helpful, in theory balanced reduces distortion in that the positive and negatives of both left and right are processed seperatly. If handled and implimented correcly into an amplifier this allows for less distortion over all, Balanced is best and most commonly used in very long Mircophone Cables where this "theroriectical decrease in distortion" is more obviously observed. I did it as and END ALL to "Well you might be under driving your dt 880" or He 400 which I was getting at the time

Also... again the Vali has a slight bump to Sub Bass to my ears, watching some TV and WOW that Sub Bass out of my DT 880 is KILLER. Usually I EQ to get that kinda of VISCERAL nature, but man the vali's just THROWIN IT DOWN [yes the Vali is SE] 

 

Warning: B Word (Click to show)
And while I don't mind using the Vali for my office use. FOr any of my next BIG amp purchases, I kinda need to stick with balanced seeing as well I have a Balanced Dt 880 and D2k, and I own a Balanced Dac. 
 
SE has teh same potential for "reduced distorition" that balanced does, it's all in amplification design. Depends on how the creator[s] of the amp designed the amp
 
Like I said, I've already sank money into balance to utilize the Balanced DT 880 I purchased. So I'm going to stick with it for simplicity on my end. Leaves me without having to use and own so many adapters 

Oh yea... this will b a nice inside joke xD 

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Hey guys, normally I don't do the advice-asking thing, but lately I've been contemplating going over to the Dark Side and picking up something from Sennheiser's HD5x8 series. From a raw performance standpoint, I know it would be a step down from the DT880, but from a utility standpoint I think it would pay dividends. I've been looking for an all-rounder with a more forgiving overall signature that I can just plug in anytime I want to watch a YouTube video or a movie and not have to worry about a less than stellar recording sounding fatiguing. The HD5x8 models are also quite a bit more sensitive than my DT880, so I could even use them on weak sources (like my Roku remote's headphone output) without having to drag my amp everywhere. Plus, the HD5x8's all have a detachable cable, and I would ideally pick up an aftermarket four foot one for general purpose use.

 

Anybody here have experience with any of the three models from this range? I'm just mainly worried about getting whichever one I ultimately choose (the 558 is looking like the best option for me) and being disappointed because it's too much of a step down from my DT880. I don't mind the relative treble deficit--that's in fact kind of what I'm looking for. I've just always been curious how Sennheiser does things, and from what I've gathered, the HD5x8 series (at least the top two models) is quite neutral and has a nice soundstage--qualities I'd like to carry over from the DT880 (that's why I'm looking at another open back headphone, despite the inherent drawbacks for my chosen application).

 

Just so we don't pollute the DT880-ness too much, I figured I would frame this question as a comparison between the DT880 and whichever HD5x8 you might have experience with. That's really the angle I'm interested in, anyway.

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