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post #5791 of 8065
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Look @Mshenay

My MK IV is using the same driver tube as your MK VI+ will have...

Cheap Soviet 6H9C Dual Triode made by the Saratov Reflektor factory in '75 mounted in my DIY octal adapter.

 

Listening to Paul Simon's Graceland 25th Annivesary Edition on the DT880 Pro's and for an inexpensive tube (I picked up 4 for $9 from Romania) it actually sounds quite good.

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how hot does your copper tubings get...I feel like it would be a safety hazard around me xD

post #5792 of 8065
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how hot does your copper tubings get...I feel like it would be a safety hazard around me xD

The copper does not get hot at all, it's the glass area of the tube that gets hot and it is away from the copper...  :D

post #5793 of 8065

Ok... well here's a neat fact my 600 ohm Dt 880 doesn't sound like garbage out of a Dell Optiplex 755 Headphone out at about 50% Volume... granted I'm listening to lossy files

 

either way I'm impressed it's being driven as well as it is! Ofc Youtube sounds like bad no matter what I listen to it with. Still I can laugh at Hank Hill YouTube poop in lossy or lossless so I'm happy! 

post #5794 of 8065

It's odd. Thinking back now, I seem to remember once describing the DT880 as an uncolored Grado with extension, refinement, and a soundstage. That might sound a bit like saying something looks like a black and white picture but in full color, but I think what I was picking up on was the brightness and the way the DT880 conveyed rhythm. I liked the way the SR225i always got out of its own way (which was something the M50 had a lot of trouble with), and I liked the energy it portrayed. I just wasn't that thrilled with how the coloration precluded usage with certain genres, the lack of extension, or the comfort. The DT880 fixed all these issues.

 

I wonder if this means that people who like the immediacy and energy of the Grado approach but who have a problem with any of the issues I mentioned would similarly like the DT880. Might be a good recommendation vector if there are a lot of people who end up feeling this way.

post #5795 of 8065
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It's odd. Thinking back now, I seem to remember once describing the DT880 as an uncolored Grado with extension, refinement, and a soundstage. That might sound a bit like saying something looks like a black and white picture but in full color, but I think what I was picking up on was the brightness and the way the DT880 conveyed rhythm. I liked the way the SR225i always got out of its own way (which was something the M50 had a lot of trouble with), and I liked the energy it portrayed. I just wasn't that thrilled with how the coloration precluded usage with certain genres, the lack of extension, or the comfort. The DT880 fixed all these issues.

 

I wonder if this means that people who like the immediacy and energy of the Grado approach but who have a problem with any of the issues I mentioned would similarly like the DT880. Might be a good recommendation vector if there are a lot of people who end up feeling this way.

 

They probably would. I think you're onto something. I haven't heard any Grados yet and I probably never will because good extension is important to me and if a headphone doesn't have good extension I won't end up using it enough to make it worth it. But based on everything I've read, I think you're right that the DT880 is probably a good recommendation to give those who like the Grados but have issues with their shortcomings.

post #5796 of 8065

IF you have a dt 880 and you want a tube amp for it, buy the vali shut up and enjoy it

 

my NFB 10ES2 is at my old place so I've only got my hm 801 and this Vali for desktop use

 

 

and just yes.... 1000% yes. Get the vali, don't think about don't question it. Just BUY it and enjoy it. Ofc this is if you have the 250 and 600 ohm variants 

post #5797 of 8065
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They probably would. I think you're onto something. I haven't heard any Grados yet and I probably never will because good extension is important to me and if a headphone doesn't have good extension I won't end up using it enough to make it worth it. But based on everything I've read, I think you're right that the DT880 is probably a good recommendation to give those who like the Grados but have issues with their shortcomings.

I think the DT880 is a great recommendation for people not satisfied with the SR325i or looking for a larger soundstage that includes the treble energy of Grados. One thing I feel Grados do better than the DT880 is treble speed and mid bass energy. Other than that they really don't dig into the sub bass extension that the DT880 has

post #5798 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

IF you have a dt 880 and you want a tube amp for it, buy the vali shut up and enjoy it

 

my NFB 10ES2 is at my old place so I've only got my hm 801 and this Vali for desktop use

 

 

and just yes.... 1000% yes. Get the vali, don't think about don't question it. Just BUY it and enjoy it. Ofc this is if you have the 250 and 600 ohm variants 

 

Been waiting for your impressions on the Vali.....I ordered last week and them backed off and cancelled, thinking my current tube amp with some damn good Mullard NOS tubes couldn't be beat.  So, have you experienced tube amps in the past to compare?  What is the best tube amp you have heard with the DT880 600ohm.

 

In other words c'mon make me buy the Vali.....someone said it is better than any amp under $1600!

post #5799 of 8065
You really think the Vali might be better than the Ming Da?

EL84's, 12AX7's and that sweet Cats Eye tube wins every time!
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post #5800 of 8065
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Been waiting for your impressions on the Vali.....I ordered last week and them backed off and cancelled, thinking my current tube amp with some damn good Mullard NOS tubes couldn't be beat.  So, have you experienced tube amps in the past to compare?  What is the best tube amp you have heard with the DT880 600ohm.

 

In other words c'mon make me buy the Vali.....someone said it is better than any amp under $1600!


 I loved my Vali and at a meet I took it to there were a few people with lots of cash and expensive Woo Audio gear that were quite surprised by the performance of it. It may not be a giant killer, but at that price, US made, you almost have to try it. It sells easily if you aren't in love.

post #5801 of 8065

Well the 32 ohm DT880 Premiums arrived and boy do they ever sound good. :) A funny thing happened, at first they had almost no bass whatsoever. I think it was because they were ridiculously cold when they arrived. They were basically frozen. 10-15 minutes later they were warmed up and sounded just as I expected them to. I don't think I could tell them apart from my Pros in a blind test. There may be more bass with the Pros because of the higher clamping force but if there is it isn't immediately noticeable. The Premiums also seem to have an ever so slightly larger overall soundstage but again the difference is very small. It makes sense that the higher clamping force of the Pro would give very slightly more bass impact and very slightly less soundstage and I would expect that to be the case after extensive listening and comparing but the differences are really quite subtle and not immediately noticeable.

 

Guys, you're not missing out on anything with the 32 ohm version. They sound every bit as good as my 250 ohm Pros. If there's any question whether or not you'll be able to power the 250 or 600 ohm versions to adequate volume in all situations, play it safe and get the 32 ohm. They get reasonably loud out of my Nexus 7 2013 tablet and Galaxy S2 smartphone but they can easily handle my Lake People G109 and sound even better amped. This was my experience with the 32 ohm DT 235 and its the same with the 32 ohm DT 880 (just a much clearer sound and larger stage compared to the DT235). With the G109 they inhabit the exact same volume range as my K712's, about 10 to 11 o'clock. My brother will be plugging them directly into his computer and I was happy to findout that they do get loud enough in that situation. Of course ideally you would amp them and I might go ahead and give him my D-Zero as well. In that case he definitely won't have any problems, they match really well with the D-Zero. Very quietly recorded stuff requires the high gain setting but you never really have to venture into 90%+ volume range where there can be distortion. So the two match pretty well. 32-80 ohms seems like the sweet spot for the D-Zero, any higher than that and it can struggle.

 

Anyway, I'm really happy with my purchase and very impressed that the 32 ohm Beyers managed to sound every bit as good as my Pros right out of the gate while getting pretty loud out of a portable device. Highly recommended. Don't believe the DT880 impedance myths. Get the version that best suits what you will be amping them with. If you're using a high output impedance amplifier you should get the 600 ohm version but in any other situation I think you should err on the side of lower impedance so you'll be sure to have enough volume headroom at all times. For people with 100% modern music libraries (stuff post-loudness-wars) this probably isn't much of a concern. But if you've got older recordings or quietly recorded stuff or very dynamic stuff like classical music, having plenty of volume headroom is important and the 32 ohm 880 will give you the most of it.


Edited by devhen - 12/12/13 at 7:21pm
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Been waiting for your impressions on the Vali.....I ordered last week and them backed off and cancelled, thinking my current tube amp with some damn good Mullard NOS tubes couldn't be beat.  So, have you experienced tube amps in the past to compare?  What is the best tube amp you have heard with the DT880 600ohm.

 

In other words c'mon make me buy the Vali.....someone said it is better than any amp under $1600!


 I loved my Vali and at a meet I took it to there were a few people with lots of cash and expensive Woo Audio gear that were quite surprised by the performance of it. It may not be a giant killer, but at that price, US made, you almost have to try it. It sells easily if you aren't in love.

 

I tube rolled with my amp for two years......lots of good tubes, some of the best available NOS 12AX7's., Brimar, etc....some better than others, but I was dependent on genre and/or headphone.  Found an Audiophile on Audiogon a couple of years ago that advised the NOS Mullard CV2975 power tubes and NOS Mullard CV4035 (to replace the 12AX7's) were so good, that I would never want to tube roll again.  He was so right, I purchased them while still available from Tubemonger.  Like them so much I purchased a second set....paid $200 each for matched pair off NOS CV 4035's, and $100 each for the NOS CV2975's.  Sold all of the other tubes that I rolled, still strong as new, to Brent Jesse....I recouped enough to fund the purchase the Mullard's.  Since I had everything I needed upstream, got the HD580's. DT880 600 ohm, T90 (gone in trade for HD700), the DT990 600 ohm better that the T90. Right now I'm lovin the DT990's with my ALO wires, 8 wire cable, beautiful mids brought forward.  I have some 8 wire detachable custom cables that are bringing a lot of love too.  Cables are my last frontier at the moment, really love my Beyer's, and if I find T90's cheap I will have them again!

 

There..........I just talked myself out of the Vali......LOL!

post #5803 of 8065

DT880 250ohm owner here. Just checking in. I run these cans with the Behringer UCA202 or X-fi Xtremegamer and a DIY Garage 1217 Project Sunrise II (stock tube). These are amazing headphones. I'll admit at first I wasn't happy with the bass, so I bought the J$ pads, which certainly added some punch. Since then, I've actually gone back to the stock velours. The sound is enchanting!

post #5804 of 8065
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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

 

Been waiting for your impressions on the Vali.....I ordered last week and them backed off and cancelled, thinking my current tube amp with some damn good Mullard NOS tubes couldn't be beat.  So, have you experienced tube amps in the past to compare?  What is the best tube amp you have heard with the DT880 600ohm.

 

In other words c'mon make me buy the Vali.....someone said it is better than any amp under $1600!

 

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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

 

I tube rolled with my amp for two years......lots of good tubes, some of the best available NOS 12AX7's., Brimar, etc....some better than others, but I was dependent on genre and/or headphone.  Found an Audiophile on Audiogon a couple of years ago that advised the NOS Mullard CV2975 power tubes and NOS Mullard CV4035 (to replace the 12AX7's) were so good, that I would never want to tube roll again.  He was so right, I purchased them while still available from Tubemonger.  Like them so much I purchased a second set....paid $200 each for matched pair off NOS CV 4035's, and $100 each for the NOS CV2975's.  Sold all of the other tubes that I rolled, still strong as new, to Brent Jesse....I recouped enough to fund the purchase the Mullard's.  Since I had everything I needed upstream, got the HD580's. DT880 600 ohm, T90 (gone in trade for HD700), the DT990 600 ohm better that the T90. Right now I'm lovin the DT990's with my ALO wires, 8 wire cable, beautiful mids brought forward.  I have some 8 wire detachable custom cables that are bringing a lot of love too.  Cables are my last frontier at the moment, really love my Beyer's, and if I find T90's cheap I will have them again!

 

There..........I just talked myself out of the Vali......LOL!

I honestly think the Vali is a great solution for people in need of a semi-portable tube amp. I'm not really a tube kind of guy as I prefer the sound of a solid-state but I've heard some fine tube amp rigs. Also, whoever said the Vali is the best amp under $1600 needs to get his ears checked. I felt that my Asgard 2 delivers a lot more weight in the bass and power that the Vali simply cannot keep up. I could see the Vali being a good amp to pair with a darker sounding headphone because it is very clean sounding but I thought it felt somewhat sterile... again this is just my impression listening to the Vali with the Alpha Dogs and my own DT880 with Dan from Mr. Speakers at the San Diego meet in November. I really need to do an extensive A/B testing to see if my subjective impressions are indeed correct.

post #5805 of 8065

The DT880 is one sweet headphone. Smooth, beautifully neutral & balanced without being boring. Amazing price/performance and soooo comfortable. I couldn't be happier. Thinking about picking up a manufactur :) 

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