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post #5431 of 10423

Another fan ^^ welcome! 

post #5432 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 
I remember not exactly being bowled over with it the first few songs, but being able to switch through music in every genre I listen to without anything sounding glaringly wrong was quite a convincing vote in its favor.

 

 

That's actually the first and best test of neutrality. A phone might sound great on one song, one recording, one genre, but the real test is its performance over a kaleidoscope of music. I consider classical the litmus test. Even if you have no interest in classical, if a phone can convincingly reproduce a symphony orchestra in full flight on a good recording it will perform well on any genre.

 

That's if you're after neutrality and accuracy. Many aren't.

post #5433 of 10423
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That's actually the first and best test of neutrality. A phone might sound great on one song, one recording, one genre, but the real test is its performance over a kaleidoscope of music. I consider classical the litmus test. Even if you have no interest in classical, if a phone can convincingly reproduce a symphony orchestra in full flight on a good recording it will perform well on any genre.

 

That's if you're after neutrality and accuracy. Many aren't.

 

I agree with this completely. This is entirely the reason I returned the two headphones I'd tried before I got my DT880--they just didn't cover all my genres. Classical, incidentally, was a weak point for both, and since at least half my time is spent listening to classical, this just wasn't acceptable.

 

I find that, in my experience, one of the most difficult things for any headphone to properly reproduce is the pipe organ. Overall, bass should be deep and nimble with no significant rolloff, humps or enhancement anywhere throughout the range; midrange should be clear and present, and treble should be well extended and smooth. This is pretty much a wish list for an excellent headphone in general, and usually you can get away with being a bit deficient in one or two areas in this list and still end up with a reasonably enjoyable sound. Not so when playing back an organ--any significant deviation from the above list is made brutally obvious.

post #5434 of 10423

Ya know, these sound neutral to me - though I don't exactly know what neutral sounds like since I've never been in a studio with monitors. I am noticing a bit of listener's fatigue and I suspect it's a result of that treble spike (which I shall EQ out once I get a desktop rig). The only thing I don't like so far is that the top of my right ear *slightly* touches the inside of the cup. It is annoying.

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You could probably count the headphones that are more neutral than the DT880* using both hands, and that's counting every single headphone that has ever existed. The treble spike can be fatiguing if you happen to be sensitive, but it's very easy to notch out with a parametric EQ and is a single, specific flaw.

 

The ear touching the cup thing is a bit more difficult to escape. For all their comfort and for how well the overall weight is distributed, the DT880 (and, indeed, each of the other Premium and Pro DT models) has surprisingly shallow pads. Most people don't seem to feel discomfort from the foam, but it does seem to make contact with a lot of people's ears.

 

You could try moving the headphones around a bit to find a more optimum place inside the cups, or maybe loosen the fit by a click on each side to see if that eases up some of the pressure. It's recommended, in fact, that you wear headphones as far down and forward as reasonably possible. This is supposed to improve the perception of the soundstage, as well as add a bit of depth to bass. I don't really know how much of a difference this actually makes (if any in the DT880's case), but I know I find my pair very comfortable worn this way.

 

*This of course assumes that the ideal diffuse field curve that the DT880 and many other headphones are tuned toward is an accurate model of how humans hear, which has been a matter of debate for years now.

post #5436 of 10423

What cans would you consider more neutral? I actually bought them seeking neutrality, though that will be better achieved once I EQ down that dirty upper spike. Indeed, I hope I didn't make the wrong choice in my quest for neutrality. :P

post #5437 of 10423
I found the LCD-3's to be quite neutral, like a highly perfected DT880... biggrin.gif
post #5438 of 10423
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the DT880 (and, indeed, each of the other Premium and Pro DT models) has surprisingly shallow pads.

I don't find this the case at all with my 880 Premiums. Plenty deep pads, though my ears don't stick out too much, though they certainly aren't profile with my head either. 

post #5439 of 10423

Okay, this is annoying. My right ear keeps touching the inside of the cup. just my right ear. My left ear does it EVER so slightly, but not really. If I move my head around I feel my right ear touch it even more. I don't think I'm being compulsive. This is actually quite annoying! Should I cut part of my right ear off?

post #5440 of 10423

Modd it with bigger pads?

post #5441 of 10423
Mad Dog Alpha Pads!

Or tape your ears back to your head... biggrin.gif
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Would using different pads change the frequency response, detract from fidelity, or in any way affect the sound???

 

Like, I think the foam is actually irritating my ear. There is this slight burning feeling characteristic of irritation. 

 

Can I fit Alpha Pads on these cans??!


Edited by Sonic Atrocity - 11/26/13 at 4:22am
post #5443 of 10423
You can count on it, some here roll pads the way I roll tubes... You'll have to keep trying and find a pair that work for you.
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post #5444 of 10423
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You can count on it, some here roll pads the way I roll tubes... You'll have to keep trying and find a pair that work for you.
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I can count on... sound quality changing? Sorry, I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Man, I'm frustrated. 

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Ok, stronger lower treble from the K702, in a very sensitive range. They're about the same for upper treble unless you're sensitive around the 9khz area, which I doubt I can even hear (I'm 67). Pretty good graphs really as these things go, but I suspect there's a resonance in the AKG's treble that only shows up on certain genres (classical for one) and to certain ears.

It's amazing how different these two headphones actually sound!
Once you get past the treble, the DT880 seems to have a flatter, fuller bass, compared to any K70x or Q701.
Any K70x or Q701 I've heard sounds more midrangey and trebley than these curves would suggest.
Really, these curves would make you think the headphones sound fairly similar.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
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