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post #5416 of 10436
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Want to clear up a misconception here on headfi.  I just spoke with Pete Carini, Beyerdynamics USA, about warranty repair on headphones purchased here on headfi.  My pair was purchased used from another headfier....even though the repair is withing the two year warranty, the warranty is void for the second owner and beyond, even with the original receipt.  Warranty is only valid to the original owner/buyer, so buyer beware.  This applies to purchases from Amazon Warehouse as well, if these were sold to original buyer, then returned to Amazon, and Amazon sells them at a reduced cost as, like new, the warranty is invalid.  Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG, etc, the same policy applies.

 

Thank you for posting this. I really appreciate it. I am actually testing out my DT880s TONIGHT. Finally! I bought them over a month ago from a fellow head-fier but I had them sent to my parents place. 

post #5417 of 10436
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If I had to describe it myself, I'd say there's a faint trace of warmth through the upper bass and lower midrange, which warms up the upper harmonics of bass and perhaps gives the impression of a little more body than is actually there, strictly speaking. Definitely not bass monster territory, or even above baseline, really. That said, we can't discount unit variation, though I wouldn't imagine it's that significant. I've heard that the variation between DT770 units can be pretty large, though, so who knows. 

 

I've also always felt that, while the DT880 has a perfectly competent bass presentation, it loses a bit of texture at the very bottom, though that could just be the lack of authority or strong punch. It's an open dynamic design, and as such is always going to have trouble controlling the very low notes. For what it has to work with it does an admirable job. This is one area where I suspect newer models by Beyer and others have a definite technical edge.

Interesting observation of the bass. I actually find the bass detail on my KRK KNS 8400 to be quite finite, and textured, though somewhat lacking and with a total absence of sub-bass impact. But, it seems that it's that way in order to clean up the low end (they are marketed as monitoring headphones, so I can see why this makes sense). I actually feel like I achieve a higher level of fidelity this way. Clarity over quantity. :P 

 

How would you say the bass on the DT880 compares? Even if it's less clear I'm still super excited to test them out tonight. 

post #5418 of 10436

WHOA. People are saying the DT880 is brighter than the Q701?!?!?!?!! I didn't find that AT ALL. Actually, I thought the Q701 sounded tinny and had a totally exaggerated sound stage.

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Would you say it was a sonic atrocity?  :p

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WHOA. People are saying the DT880 is brighter than the Q701?!?!?!?!! I didn't find that AT ALL. Actually, I thought the Q701 sounded tinny and had a totally exaggerated sound stage.


Well it depends on how sensitive you are to certain regions. The Q701 emphasizes lower treble while the DT 880 emphasizes upper treble, I'm personally sensitive to treble as a whole, so it really limits the number headphones that I can use for extended periods of time. The Q701 definitely has an exaggerated and flawed soundstage given it's issues with center staging and panning too far left and right on the soundstage on occasion, it can also come off as a bit tinny or glary at times. The DT 880 can come off as bright and harsh in the treble to some. I personally found the DT 880 brighter than the Q701, but both can be considered bright, just in different ways.


Edited by kman1211 - 11/24/13 at 5:16pm
post #5421 of 10436

The DT880 most certainly emphasizes the lower treble as well. I am quite sensitive to 5-6 kHz and there's definitely a spike there, which shows up in uncompensated measurements. The response above that is also generally elevated, leading well into the upper treble, which is one of their standout features, IMO.

 

I've never heard any of the variations of the K70x, but most of the impressions I've read indicate that they're similarly bright to the DT880 (some people say one is brighter, some say the other) but lack some of the upper treble extension. I often read the term "hardness" or other similar words applied to their upper midrange or treble presentation, which might be a combination of their own lower treble emphasis and the bump around 2 kHz that shows up in some of the measurements.

 

Whatever the case may be, they were one of two options when I bit the bullet and ordered my DT880 sight unheard. I'm happy with my choice, though I'm still curious about the AKGs. I have an AKG condenser mic that spends most of its time in its case, glaring at the Beyers with what can only be rageful jealousy because the headphones get to be out and the microphone doesn't.

post #5422 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

The DT880 most certainly emphasizes the lower treble as well. I am quite sensitive to 5-6 kHz and there's definitely a spike there, which shows up in uncompensated measurements. The response above that is also generally elevated, leading well into the upper treble, which is one of their standout features, IMO.

 

I've never heard any of the variations of the K70x, but most of the impressions I've read indicate that they're similarly bright to the DT880 (some people say one is brighter, some say the other) but lack some of the upper treble extension. I often read the term "hardness" or other similar words applied to their upper midrange or treble presentation, which might be a combination of their own lower treble emphasis and the bump around 2 kHz that shows up in some of the measurements.

 

Whatever the case may be, they were one of two options when I bit the bullet and ordered my DT880 sight unheard. I'm happy with my choice, though I'm still curious about the AKGs. I have an AKG condenser mic that spends most of its time in its case, glaring at the Beyers with what can only be rageful jealousy because the headphones get to be out and the microphone doesn't.

 

It probably does, it's been a while since I heard the DT 880, I am considering one as a complimentary phone to my K612. I do like bright headphones, especially on good recordings, but it's not something that could ever be a main headphone for me, but rather a complimentary headphone, I found if I listen to a bright or overly grainy headphone too long I get ringing in my ears. It's why I crossed the HD 800 and T1 off my future headphone list, they were too bright to be considered a main for me and also the HD 800 just rubbed me the wrong way the times I heard it. I find the DT 880 and Q701 in my tolerance range of brightness but I can't listen to them more than a couple hours at a time without getting earaches, I can only really listen to the K612, K702 Annies, HD 600/650, and a variety of other headphones all day unless comfort bothers me.

 

In terms of AKGs, if you ever want to try the K7xx series, I personally would go for the K702 Annies and the K712 Pro over the Q701 and K701/2. I would also consider the K612 Pro while a little less detailed than the K7xx series it's more natural and linear sounding.


Edited by kman1211 - 11/24/13 at 6:34pm
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Alright folks, I got the cans. I opened up sinegen and it sounds even (maybe a little to the right? not sure). I think it's fine though. Plus, I seem to hear less out of my left ear - maybe? Or maybe it's my source? I dunno, but there is nothing super apparent or anything. 

 

Anyhow, lemme ask you folks, am I doing it wrong? I don't have an amp handy at the moment. I just plugged this thing into my clip zip, set the volume to 0, and am adjusting my volume with the precut. Seems mostly loud enough. Maybe a little tinny? I dunno, but it kinda sounds good, imo. I notice the absence of the mid-bass hump, at least in comparison with my KRK KNS 8400, and it;s wonderful. I was really getting sick of that damn hump. 

 

I look forward to EQing these badboys once I get my ODAC and O2 :D 

 

Thanks for everyone's help. Especially Argyris! You have been very helpful!

post #5424 of 10436
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Would you say it was a sonic atrocity?  :p

:/ 

 

 

Hhahahahahahahahahaa. I actually laughed out loud at that, ahaha. :)

post #5425 of 10436

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2621&graphID[]=963&scale=30Ok, stronger lower treble from the K702, in a very sensitive range. They're about the same for upper treble unless you're sensitive around the 9khz area, which I doubt I can even hear (I'm 67). Pretty good graphs really as these things go, but I suspect there's a resonance in the AKG's treble that only shows up on certain genres (classical for one) and to certain ears.

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Hhahahahahahahahahaa. I actually laughed out loud at that, ahaha. :)

 

Don't bust a gut.  :D

post #5427 of 10436

I WANT YOUR RESPONSES HEAD-FI!!!!!! :p Desperate for discussion about these cans!

post #5428 of 10436
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

Ok, stronger lower treble from the K702, in a very sensitive range. They're about the same for upper treble unless you're sensitive around the 9khz area, which I doubt I can even hear (I'm 67). Pretty good graphs really as these things go, but I suspect there's a resonance in the AKG's treble that only shows up on certain genres (classical for one) and to certain ears.


True, I found the K702 a bit problematic to my ears in terms of a weird resonance that can come off as somewhat unpleasant, I liked the lower treble on the DT 880 a lot more than the K702s, it's the upper treble that lead it to being a little brighter sounding overall to me. I did hear the 9khz spike on the DT 880, but I am also on the young side being 23. I found when I heard the K702 and my K612 side by side, the K612 didn't have any issues with the weird resonance like the K702 did, here is a graph comparing the K702 to K601(which should be similar to the K612).

 

 

post #5429 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post
 

Alright folks, I got the cans. I opened up sinegen and it sounds even (maybe a little to the right? not sure). I think it's fine though. Plus, I seem to hear less out of my left ear - maybe? Or maybe it's my source? I dunno, but there is nothing super apparent or anything. 

 

Anyhow, lemme ask you folks, am I doing it wrong? I don't have an amp handy at the moment. I just plugged this thing into my clip zip, set the volume to 0, and am adjusting my volume with the precut. Seems mostly loud enough. Maybe a little tinny? I dunno, but it kinda sounds good, imo. I notice the absence of the mid-bass hump, at least in comparison with my KRK KNS 8400, and it;s wonderful. I was really getting sick of that damn hump. 

 

I look forward to EQing these badboys once I get my ODAC and O2 :D 

 

Thanks for everyone's help. Especially Argyris! You have been very helpful!

 

*takes a bow* Glad I could help. :smile:

 

I've noticed a certain lack of oomph when the DT880 is paired with the Clip Zip. Maybe the player's output is slightly rolled off on the bottom end, or else it could just be placebo or association bias on my part, since I generally only use my SRH440 portably (and therefore might be subconsciously expecting more midbass when I use the Clip). Either way, I couldn't imagine walking around with the DT880 (all that cable, and the open design to boot), so it just stays with its amp. In fact, since it arrived it hasn't ever left my house.

 

I'm glad everything has worked out for you, at any rate, and that the DT880 isn't a disappointment after all your trepidation. It would have really sucked if you'd gotten a bum unit, or, potentially worse, if you just didn't like it. As I'm sure I've said before, the DT880 doesn't tend to dazzle on first impression. I remember not exactly being bowled over with it the first few songs, but being able to switch through music in every genre I listen to without anything sounding glaringly wrong was quite a convincing vote in its favor. I wasn't interested in juggling headphones and genres. I just wanted something that worked well enough for everything, and the DT880 has served excellently in that capacity for over three years now.

post #5430 of 10436

The uncompensated results are often revealing, as long as you know how to interpret them. The compensated results use smoothing, which sometimes obscures otherwise salient details of the trace. For the chart above, the 3.5 kHz bump is modeled into most headphones as part of the DF target curve and is normal--the K70x has a bit of extra energy in the 2-3 kHz region but is otherwise similar to the DT880. Both have a spike between 5 kHz and 6 kHz, which is the lower treble spike that I'm sensitive to. The DT880 also clearly has better extension, being above baseline to the limits of human hearing (assuming a gentle rolloff starting at between 1 kHz and 2 kHz to about 10 dB down at 20 kHz is the optimal result). Some measurements (e.g. HeadRoom's one for the 600 ohm DT880) also suggest that there's a bit more energy in the 8 kHz to 10 kHz region than the K70x, which would account for impressions that the DT880 is brighter in the upper treble regions. At some point the treble measurements become uncertain--this usually starts around 9-10 kHz--so it's difficult to make more than general observations from there on.

 

In my experience, the results for the DT880 are pretty spot on to what I hear. If I had persistent access to a K70x, I could determine if the same could be said for its measurements. What's intriguing is how different the measurements are for the newer K712--more bass, less upper midrange and lower treble. Clearly AKG has been steadily tweaking this model over time, first with the Q variations, then the Annies, and now the K712.

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