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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post


As proven by users picking apart each post for any available flaws to bring up later? smily_headphones1.gif

 

Some will like their DT-880 with an OTL amp wich had an high impedence output and a large voltage swing . Some OTL design depending on the tubes can bring up more bass / medium body , and tame down the highs .

 

But not every one want more warmth , so they will go with some SS amp with very low impedance output , and a colorless "signature" .

 

Depending and what you want , the choice can be very different so , best amp hum , depend and you are seeking for your DT-880.

 

 

An WA2 is considered like a very good amp for DT-880 , same as the Auditor , but they don't sound a like at all ...


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 11/22/13 at 8:37am
post #5372 of 10436
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post
 


I agree with you on this. The texture of the bass allows you to hear what note the bass player is hitting or the type of drum from an 808 kick. Compared to my HD280 there's no comparison in the quality of bass. the HD280 has the "one note" whump whump with reverberations that give you the presence of an open subwoofer. The DT880s give you the detail and texture of instruments while with EDM they sound more like a closed subwoofer. I have been surprised by their ability to extend really low into the sub bass region that is slightly rounded off on the very bottom. Sometimes I turn around to check if my 12 inch subwoofer is plugged in then find out it was just the DT880 confusing me

 

Yup. The bass extension on the Beyers continues to surprise me day by day. Whenever i grab my 880's after the ma900's, the first thing i notice is how cleaner the bass is and how MUCH deeper the bass can dig down. Never heard an open can that has as good sub-bass as these. 

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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post
 

 

Yup. The bass extension on the Beyers continues to surprise me day by day. Whenever i grab my 880's after the ma900's, the first thing i notice is how cleaner the bass is and how MUCH deeper the bass can dig down. Never heard an open can that has as good sub-bass as these. 

 

That's the thing that's so weird about them. Since the bass isn't bumped up anywhere, the extension is unexpected, since usually headphones with the level of midbass of the DT880 don't have much extension.

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I think what he is saying that because the DT 880 is only semi-open, it's missing the last bit of transparency the driver is capable of producing. Although when you fully open up the DT 880, it basically becomes the DT 990, which has too much bass to be neutral and slightly more treble than the DT 880. Although if you somehow manage to make the DT 990 neutral, it would be more transparent and refined than the DT 880 due to a less restricted driver.

 

I've heard various claims about what's physically different between the two that causes the tuning difference. Some people say it's the openness of the enclosure, some say there's some netting or something affixed to the back of the DT880 driver, some say it's that foam dome they stuck in front of the driver on the DT880. The last would be the easiest to test, since it's relatively easy to remove (it's supposed to be user-replaceable).

 

Yeah I've heard that the 880 drivers have both the foam pad over the driver to attenuate the highs and supposedly materials at the back of the driver or baffling or somewhere around there, that supposedly attenuates the low end. Word is that the 880 and 770 have the materials that attenuate the lows and the 990 do not while only the 880 has the pad over the driver to attenuate the highs, thus the different sound signatures between the 3 models despite using the same driver.

 

That's interesting that you say the pad on the 880 driver is meant to be user replaceable. How is it affixed, some kind of glue or something? Do you know if there is a Beyer part number for it? I'm interested in getting a DT 990 Pro and I'd love to try those pads over the drivers to hopefully reign in the highs a bit. I'm thinking 880 highs with a 990 low end and the more open stage of the 990 might be right up my alley.

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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

That's interesting that you say the pad on the 880 driver is meant to be user replaceable. How is it affixed, some kind of glue or something? Do you know if there is a Beyer part number for it? I'm interested in getting a DT 990 Pro and I'd love to try those pads over the drivers to hopefully reign in the highs a bit. I'm thinking 880 highs with a 990 low end and the more open stage of the 990 might be right up my alley.

The pad goes under the locking ring.

http://www.showcomms.com/spares/dt770-spares/dt770-dt880-dt990-foam-insert-sold-individually-933395.html

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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

Yeah I've heard that the 880 drivers have both the foam pad over the driver to attenuate the highs and supposedly materials at the back of the driver or baffling or somewhere around there, that supposedly attenuates the low end. Word is that the 880 and 770 have the materials that attenuate the lows and the 990 do not while only the 880 has the pad over the driver to attenuate the highs, thus the different sound signatures between the 3 models despite using the same driver.

That's interesting that you say the pad on the 880 driver is meant to be user replaceable. How is it affixed, some kind of glue or something? Do you know if there is a Beyer part number for it? I'm interested in getting a DT 990 Pro and I'd love to try those pads over the drivers to hopefully reign in the highs a bit. I'm thinking 880 highs with a 990 low end and the more open stage of the 990 might be right up my alley.

Actually they do, the DT 770/880/990 all have the same driver given they are the same ohm version and the only difference is the dampening and materials used. The DT 770 is closed and sometimes has a plastic cap on the back of the driver, it also has different pads while the DT 880 and 990 have the same pads. The DT 880 both has another layer of foam in the front of the driver and a mesh net on the back of the driver while the DT 990 does not. Remove the extra piece of foam adhered(you have to be careful as it seems it's attached by adhesive) on the front and the mesh on the back of the driver and it basically becomes a DT 990, people have tested this before, you can also basically make a DT 990 into a DT 880 as well by messing with the dampening materials, all the drivers seems to be tuned the same, just the dampening material causes the changes in sound.
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

 

The pad goes under the locking ring.

http://www.showcomms.com/spares/dt770-spares/dt770-dt880-dt990-foam-insert-sold-individually-933395.html

 

That's the padding that goes over the driver, yes, but all of the models have that (although it seems to be slightly different padding on the 770). I'm talking about the pad affixed to the driver itself. Its how you can tell apart the 880 driver from a 770 or 990 driver just by taking the ear pads (and the foam you mentioned) off. For example here's a pic recently posted in the T90 thread by @cute:

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That's an 880 driver next to a 990 driver (in the same headphone actually haha). Notice the black pad over the 880 driver. That's the one I'm interested in, since the 880 and 990 already share the same pad that covers the driver & baffle and snaps under the ring that's under the ear pads.


Edited by devhen - 11/22/13 at 11:45am
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I had just thought that is not what he wants a little after I posted it... I don't think you can buy that part as it is glued to the driver frame but you could possibly make one to put there.
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One thing I've noticed while listening to my DT880s more. They really aren't sibilant at all in the highs and cymbals UNLESS the mastering isn't very good. I can tell the difference between a good mastering and a crappy mastering because of how the EQ is balanced out and how it will appear to be sibilant on the DT880s while a good mastering will not.

 

So really the DT880s aren't overly bright, they're overly revealing of your source and music file :D

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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post

Actually they do, the DT 770/880/990 all have the same driver given they are the same ohm version and the only difference is the dampening and materials used. The DT 770 is closed and sometimes has a plastic cap on the back of the driver, it also has different pads while the DT 880 and 990 have the same pads. The DT 880 both has another layer of foam in the front of the driver and a mesh net on the back of the driver while the DT 990 does not. Remove the extra piece of foam adhered(you have to be careful as it seems it's attached by adhesive) on the front and the mesh on the back of the driver and it basically becomes a DT 990, people have tested this before, you can also basically make a DT 990 into a DT 880 as well by messing with the dampening materials, all the drivers seems to be tuned the same, just the dampening material causes the changes in sound.

I removed the foam behind the drivers that sits by the metal mesh on the outside a while back. It opened the sound stage a bit I think.
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

It has absolutely nothing to do with quality control. It's incredibly easy to see how somebody would describe the DT880 (or any other headphone with neutral bass) as being bass light. Imagine you come from the Beats, V-Moda or even some of the Ultrasone line. If you're entirely accustomed to boosted bass then yes, the DT880 will definitely sound bass light. It's a matter of what the individual has to reference with from their experience. 

 

Alternately, somebody could also describe the bass as being strong. If they came from apple ear buds, and maybe owned a Grado SR60i as a beginner can, then tried a DT880 they probably wouldn't feel the bass was light, because the bass extension and authority would be so much better than their other headphones. 

indeed 

 

although I enjoy my Dt 880 and the UE 6000 I have for another 2 hours! 

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I think I was mistaken. I assumed that the DT990 didn't have as thick a bit of removable foam held in by the ring as the DT880. I know that the foam inserts in the latter form domes whereas in the DT990 they're flat. I assumed this was a property of the foam discs themselves, but seeing as the DT990 doesn't have that extra piece of foam/felt/whatever over the driver, what's obviously happening is the foam insert in the DT880 is being bowed out by the presence of that extra bit of damping material, and over time it takes on that shape.

 

I hope this wasn't confusing.

 

Now I'm intrigued, though. If the taming of the highs is all down to that extra inner ring of foam/felt/whatever (it looks like felt in the pictures), theoretically you could accomplish the same thing by affixing similar material over the driver (in a less permanent way, perhaps). Of course, I'm sure Beyer chose carefully when they picked which material they used, so it might be difficult to find something comparable. But it's at least theoretically possible.


Edited by Argyris - 11/22/13 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by knightboy140 View Post
 

Nice!

But why was the headband cable left installed?

 

It should have been removed like on mine, since you cant put the headphones back to original...

:beerchug:

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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post
 

Nice!

But why was the headband cable left installed?

 

It should have been removed like on mine, since you cant put the headphones back to original...

 

 

Probably for aesthetic reasons, or else so they didn't have to fill in the little holes left behind. Those little cables look cool, IMO, even if they're not strictly functional with a dual entry mod.

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

 

Probably for aesthetic reasons, or else so they didn't have to fill in the little holes left behind. Those little cables look cool, IMO, even if they're not strictly functional with a dual entry mod.

True, but then you would have to tie up / glue the dangling headband wires someplace... The holes are easy to deal with, a little matt black vinyl sticker material and a hole punch... Put one inside, one outside and the hole dissapears. They also wouldn't have had to take the headband off or the yoke blocks apart by leaving it in place. Probably just sniped the wire flush at the metal grommit's now that I think about it.

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