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post #5326 of 8065

If I had to describe it myself, I'd say there's a faint trace of warmth through the upper bass and lower midrange, which warms up the upper harmonics of bass and perhaps gives the impression of a little more body than is actually there, strictly speaking. Definitely not bass monster territory, or even above baseline, really. That said, we can't discount unit variation, though I wouldn't imagine it's that significant. I've heard that the variation between DT770 units can be pretty large, though, so who knows. 

 

I've also always felt that, while the DT880 has a perfectly competent bass presentation, it loses a bit of texture at the very bottom, though that could just be the lack of authority or strong punch. It's an open dynamic design, and as such is always going to have trouble controlling the very low notes. For what it has to work with it does an admirable job. This is one area where I suspect newer models by Beyer and others have a definite technical edge.

post #5327 of 8065
I agree on the lack of punch. The clarity and bass punch is really the only thing I miss when I'm using the 880s at home vs T90s at work.
post #5328 of 8065
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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

A friend of mine who also owns 800s had significantly less bass than I had on mine running the same amps. With our n=2 test and all of the discrepancy on here I can't help but wonder if we have some quality control issues with this model.

 



You may be on to something!

I can't believe how many people say the DT880 is a bright 'phone.
I've even heard it described as brighter than the AKG K70x and Q701.

Based on what I hear out of my DT880s, the word "bright" does not come to mind.
My thoughts: Neutral

But that's just my opinion.
post #5329 of 8065
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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

A friend of mine who also owns 800s had significantly less bass than I had on mine running the same amps. With our n=2 test and all of the discrepancy on here I can't help but wonder if we have some quality control issues with this model.

 



You may be on to something!

I can't believe how many people say the DT880 is a bright 'phone.
I've even heard it described as brighter than the AKG K70x and Q701.

Based on what I hear out of my DT880s, the word "bright" does not come to mind.
My thoughts: Neutral

But that's just my opinion.

Agreed. I'm also bewildered by comments of them being "bass light". Anyone that has actually heard these would not describe them as bass light.

post #5330 of 8065
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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

A friend of mine who also owns 800s had significantly less bass than I had on mine running the same amps. With our n=2 test and all of the discrepancy on here I can't help but wonder if we have some quality control issues with this model.

 



You may be on to something!

I can't believe how many people say the DT880 is a bright 'phone.
I've even heard it described as brighter than the AKG K70x and Q701.

Based on what I hear out of my DT880s, the word "bright" does not come to mind.
My thoughts: Neutral

But that's just my opinion.

I found the DT 880 on the bright side, I found it brighter than the Q701, although I did find the Q701 a bit bright, I think it depends on how sensitive you are to the treble region the headphone emphasizes, I'm quite sensitive to treble as a whole. I personally call the DT 880 on the bright side of neutral, the 8-10khz spike prevents the headphone from being truly neutral to my ears, it does have a smooth treble thankfully. It's not outright bright like the HD 800 was for me though.

I never found the bass lacking on the DT 880 and the mids are nice on tubes, just the upper treble a bit too emphasized.
Edited by kman1211 - 11/21/13 at 10:30am
post #5331 of 8065
Wow...

Then I guess I'll actually have to try and hear a pair...
post #5332 of 8065
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Wow...

Then I guess I'll actually have to try and hear a pair...

I can see how my comment may have come across as dickish, I apologise.

 

There must be some QC differences or something. They have more bass depth and punch than my Mad Dogs which are largely regarded as neutral. Mine are a few years old though so maybe something changed with the drivers design or implementation over time? Not sure. I certainly enjoy them though.

post #5333 of 8065
No problem good sir!
There must be some definite quality control or build differences in the DT880's. Indeed they are a great headphone, I picked up a new 5751 (12AX7) for my amp the other night and they sound as sweet as ever. biggrin.gif
post #5334 of 8065
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


You may be on to something!

I can't believe how many people say the DT880 is a bright 'phone.
I've even heard it described as brighter than the AKG K70x and Q701.

Based on what I hear out of my DT880s, the word "bright" does not come to mind.
My thoughts: Neutral

But that's just my opinion.

 

 

Depend on recordings and the amp you plug the DT-880 ^^ , i just returned back to DT-880 this time in 250 ohms , and as the other two that i tried before i would call them fairly neutral but with a little emphasis on highs (never bothered me thought) , slightly in the bright side of neutral .

post #5335 of 8065
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post
 

 

 

Depend on recordings and the amp you plug the DT-880 ^^ , i just returned back to DT-880 this time in 250 ohms , and as the other two that i tried before i would call them fairly neutral but with a little emphasis on highs (never bothered me thought) , slightly in the bright side of neutral .

Agreed. It realllyy realllyy depends on the dac/amp. Before I had it running through bifrost + wa3+(gec 2523, tesla rhodium tubes), and it was too bright for me. Now I'm running it on my kkmaster fully balanced and it sounds just right (neutral for me).

post #5336 of 8065
In our situation we were using the same amps. Crack with speed ball and bravo, through a udac and another DAC which I can't remember.
post #5337 of 8065
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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

In our situation we were using the same amps. Crack with speed ball and bravo, through a udac and another DAC which I can't remember.

dacs matter a lot too! I couldn't stand my hd800s on my bifrost...they were waaayyyyyy too bright. But with my kkmaster, it sounds just right.

post #5338 of 8065
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Just received my DT880's :D Coming from the 770's, I feel that there is about an equal impact amount of bass (less bloated and less one notey for sure)... Has anyone else noticed this? Reading the forums while waiting for my dt880's to arrive seems to have prepared me for a big decrease in bass impact from the dt770's. Although, I did spend some time going back to my ety hf5's, which may have also altered my initial impression of the dt880's. Also more bass than the k550's for sure, although that's not much of a surprise.  Basically, there seems to be plenty amounts of bass, maybe even erring on the "more than neutral" side. Is this normal? The only other headphones I am able to compare them to are the dt770's, k550's, and hf5's, and have not dabbled into others such as hd600, so maybe it's just a relative thing? Or perhaps the bass tightens up after burn in? The mids and highs are both very well defined still.

 

There's a lot of variance between 770s. Yours seems to have been on the bass-light side. My particular DT 770 Premium 600 ohm definitely has more bass than my DT 880 Pro. I had another DT 770 Premium 600 ohm that I gave to my dad that was much more bass-light and probably a lot like yours. Going from that particular DT 770 to the DT 880 probably wouldn't have been an increase in bass quantity.

post #5339 of 8065
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I can see how my comment may have come across as dickish, I apologise.

 

There must be some QC differences or something. They have more bass depth and punch than my Mad Dogs which are largely regarded as neutral. Mine are a few years old though so maybe something changed with the drivers design or implementation over time? Not sure. I certainly enjoy them though.

It has absolutely nothing to do with quality control. It's incredibly easy to see how somebody would describe the DT880 (or any other headphone with neutral bass) as being bass light. Imagine you come from the Beats, V-Moda or even some of the Ultrasone line. If you're entirely accustomed to boosted bass then yes, the DT880 will definitely sound bass light. It's a matter of what the individual has to reference with from their experience. 

 

Alternately, somebody could also describe the bass as being strong. If they came from apple ear buds, and maybe owned a Grado SR60i as a beginner can, then tried a DT880 they probably wouldn't feel the bass was light, because the bass extension and authority would be so much better than their other headphones. 

post #5340 of 8065
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

No problem good sir!

There must be some definite quality control or build differences in the DT880's. Indeed they are a great headphone, I picked up a new 5751 (12AX7) for my amp the other night and they sound as sweet as ever. biggrin.gif

 



Ya know,
I got so freaked out by all this bright? warm? or neutral? sounding DT880s I actually brought my 600 Ohm 'phones back to the store (Planet Of Sound) and compared them to a pair of 32 Ohm DT880 to see if:
a) another pair of DT880s would sound different?
and
b) do 32 Ohm sound different than 600 Ohm?

Once I compensated for volume I had a hard time hearing the difference between the two 'phones.
Shrug!

I suspect I am somewhat treble anomaly tolerant but somewhat bass anomaly intolerant.

(And definitely lactose intolerant)
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