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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post
 

A little read for you fellows...

http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/Balancedornot.html

Very good read, yet you DOUBT the POWER of KINGWA'S BALANCE designs...

 

just kidding. Though good point he makes about the sound, 2000 amp vs 2000 amp... the SE should in theory be of a higher grade 

 

NON THE LESS, I went balanced mostly for power reasons... the HE 400 is power hungry... as most orthos are [it is accept it and get over it] the DT 880 600 ohm is not power hungry but my M Stage was running out of juice and lastly nice point he makes about more prone to failure, but in a counter measure, and coming from my PC side, increased seperation of channels is always a positive thing, dual or quad core? Single or dual channel? OR even going into food, when quality is maintained the more seperation the better, I can use "Butter flavored olive oil" or I can use Olive oil and butter, assuming I handle my seperate ingridents correctly I will achieve better results from the "un combined" ingrediants

 

the same seems to apply from sound. BUT as I have mentioned before, it's really hard to gauge the benifits of balanced seeing as the design of the amps differ... Audio GD Amps have a better balanced design than they do SE. The Balanced out from the balanced amps sounds better than the SE by again design... the same applies to most balanced amps... Hard to compare SE to Balanced without considering design, and that said my SE w1000x always impresses me, and the SE HE 400 was always a dissapointment

 

Oh that and I like fancy headphone cables but no interconnectors! 

 

That said, it's hard to compare balanced vs SE due to desigm. Either way for $600 my NFb 10ES2 is a hell of a unit! Clean as a whistle and powerful enough to drive an HE 6 very well... and she's very CLEAN and so so so SO lean. Oh and 

 

KISS my Shiny Metal ;3 (Click to show)

 

post #5252 of 8371

No hate here Bro from SC...

Just yankin' your shiny metal balanced chain!

:D

post #5253 of 8371
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post
 

No hate here Bro from SC...

Just yankin' your shiny metal balanced chain!

:D

Pff I know ur just jealous. It's ok... I've got my balanced gear and you have those awesome brass headphone stands... oh and you've heard an LCD 3 q.q 

 

That said, uhh don't you have a dual xlr Dt 880 :D some one is one step away from balanceing his dt 880s ^^ 

post #5254 of 8371
I could go balanced with my DT880's with just an XLR plug change... There is just one major thing missing though, Cold Hard Cash. wink.gif

After the Burson, I'd really like to hear an Audio-gd NFB 15.32, I bet there would not be any difference to my ears.
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post #5255 of 8371
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Very good read, yet you DOUBT the POWER of KINGWA'S BALANCE designs...

 

just kidding. Though good point he makes about the sound, 2000 amp vs 2000 amp... the SE should in theory be of a higher grade 

 

NON THE LESS, I went balanced mostly for power reasons... the HE 400 is power hungry... as most orthos are [it is accept it and get over it] the DT 880 600 ohm is not power hungry but my M Stage was running out of juice and lastly nice point he makes about more prone to failure, but in a counter measure, and coming from my PC side, increased seperation of channels is always a positive thing, dual or quad core? Single or dual channel? OR even going into food, when quality is maintained the more seperation the better, I can use "Butter flavored olive oil" or I can use Olive oil and butter, assuming I handle my seperate ingridents correctly I will achieve better results from the "un combined" ingrediants

 

the same seems to apply from sound. BUT as I have mentioned before, it's really hard to gauge the benifits of balanced seeing as the design of the amps differ... Audio GD Amps have a better balanced design than they do SE. The Balanced out from the balanced amps sounds better than the SE by again design... the same applies to most balanced amps... Hard to compare SE to Balanced without considering design, and that said my SE w1000x always impresses me, and the SE HE 400 was always a dissapointment

 

Oh that and I like fancy headphone cables but no interconnectors! 

 

That said, it's hard to compare balanced vs SE due to desigm. Either way for $600 my NFb 10ES2 is a hell of a unit! Clean as a whistle and powerful enough to drive an HE 6 very well... and she's very CLEAN and so so so SO lean. Oh and 

 

KISS my Shiny Metal ;3 (Click to show)

 

Well not only power reasons. I think going balanced overall just brought a lot more life into my headphones. Before they were okay, now they're amazing!

post #5256 of 8371
I would balance my DT880's if I can find someone in my area that could do it, but there's a 0% chance of that happening biggrin.gif

And how much does balancing cost anyway?
post #5257 of 8371
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

I could go balanced with my DT880's with just an XLR plug change... There is just one major thing missing though, Cold Hard Cash. wink.gif

After the Burson, I'd really like to hear an Audio-gd NFB 15.32, I bet there would not be any difference to my ears.
beerchug.gif

 

Yea that would be epic if the 15.32 sounded as good a Burson,  the 15.32 is like $235 lol and the burson is what like $600+ or something xD yea man good work there :3

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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

I would balance my DT880's if I can find someone in my area that could do it, but there's a 0% chance of that happening biggrin.gif

And how much does balancing cost anyway?

Depends, I got a quote from Zombie X for about $170 and Brian at BTG... has lot's of cables and his cheapest recable was about $110... Oh Brian also does mini xlr mods, for about $65, throw in an extra $15 for the mini XLR cable he would need to make and what $200 max 

post #5258 of 8371
That's really expensive tbh. For $170 I'd rather buy a headphone, it just doesn't seem right to spend that much on a cable.
post #5259 of 8371
Practice on cheap hps. then make your own. Should end up costing 50-75 and an afternoon with some practice. Oh, and practice with ethernet cable wiring. It's cheap and sometimes free if you know the right ppl and you get like 8 strands in each cable. Plenty to work with.
post #5260 of 8371
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Practice on cheap hps. then make your own. Should end up costing 50-75 and an afternoon with some practice. Oh, and practice with ethernet cable wiring. It's cheap and sometimes free if you know the right ppl and you get like 8 strands in each cable. Plenty to work with.

There u go, and also I think Brian can do a balanced hard wire for about $100 

post #5261 of 8371
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

A little read for you fellows...
http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/Balancedornot.html

It is rather unfortunate that this article is riddled with errors and perpetuates many audiophile balanced myths
Please understand that this is NOT meant as a personal attack on anyone in this thread.
Nor am I trying to start a war here.

Balancing does not, by definition eliminate tube and transistor non-linearities.
The true answer is it depends on the amplifier topology.
Some of the amplifiers designed by Nelson Pass use balancing to REDUCE non-linearities (i.e. distortion).
Inherently, there is nothing wrong with a the concept of a phase doubler.
A phase doubler can be used as part of a balanced SYSTEM to cancel Common Mode Noise.
Very useful in noisy environments.

Designing a box with four separate amplifiers in it and calling it stereo balanced CAN BE one way to actually increase distortion if the four amplifiers do not match each other very precisely. Or they can drift out of tolerance with time.

I'm afraid I'm droning on a bit........
Don't get me wrong.
I don't hate or dislike balanced operation. I think it's very useful. It should be the standard in high end phono input stages.
I own a Pass Labs Power amp.
Most of my power amps have balanced inputs.
Look up "Super Symmetry".
I also own some Bryston equipment with balanced input and output stages. Bryston amps are not always "internally balanced". Nor do they need to be to qualify as part of a balanced system.

BTW,
I MAY know a little bit about this subject.
I used to work as an Analog Signal Processing designer.
We designed a sonar research platform for a Navy project.
post #5262 of 8371
That why you EE people need to chime in here and keep us unwashed masses in line and on the straight and narrow... biggrin.gif
post #5263 of 8371
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

That why you EE people need to chime in here and keep us unwashed masses in line and on the straight and narrow... biggrin.gif

Thank you sir.
Your kind words are much appreciated! redface.gif

In return I will try to behave myself. tongue.gif
post #5264 of 8371
Or else be banished to the sound science portion of HF! lol
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Or else be banished to the sound science portion of HF! lol

Let's just say I'm not a big fan of the "Sound Science Fiction" Forum......rolleyes.gif
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