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post #5221 of 8210
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Originally Posted by knightboy140 View Post
 

i like you. we should be bffs. And i need to hear maddogs myself for once

haha! we both have good taste.

I really want to go to another head-fi meet. It was like walking into a candy store. I'm sure we probably have similar taste in sound preference.

I EQ my DT880s a little bit for slight bass emphasis despite what people say, it doesn't bleed into the mids or highs that much and gives them a little bit more weight for certain genres that don't require as much air/space

 

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
 

Something Tyll Hertsens often says is that once you reach the higher price ranges, you're basically solving problems. The basic presentation is already available in less expensive offerings, though usually with a few obvious flaws. When a company sets out to make a new flagship, they often pin down a few of those flaws and try to mitigate them. Beyer tried to make harmonic distortion as low as possible with Tesla; Sennheiser attempted to get rid of ringing and cone breakup at higher frequencies with the HD800; etc, etc.

 

A fair amount of engineering goes into this, and the number of people who will find the less expensive offerings significantly flawed is already small, so the company needs to make something back on its investment. Hence, the higher price per unit for these flagship offerings.

 

Or, that's the excuse I'm sure they would use if you asked. Somehow they managed to make flagships like the HD6x0 and DT880 back in the day for an order of magnitude cheaper than the most expensive current flagships go for today, and I doubt the research and testing were significantly less expensive to do back then. I've never quite shaken the idea that they simply realized people would pay substantially higher prices for the same iterative upgrades they hadn't paid a premium for in the past, if only to have the latest shiny.

 

I agree with this statement. Just like the evolution of the LCD-1 to LCD-X. I've heard all 4 and they sound relatively similar to each other aside from the much brighter LCD-X. No matter what revision they have, they're still going to sound more lush/warm/dark/fuzzy in comparison to an HE-6 or HD800. It's all a preference of sound signature. I missed my opportunity to try out a Stax SR-009 electrostat headphone :[ I kind of didn't want to listen to it out of fear they would sound too good.

 

You're right about the development costs for current flagships. Headphone hi-fi wasn't the same back in 2005 as it is today. I still recall buying cheap plastic gaming headsets to play Counter-Strike and BF2 matches back when I was in high school.  Today people will pay lots of $$$ to have the next brand new shiny thing and I'm still glad that these manufacturers have upped the ante on product development.

 

Back in 2005, I'm sure most people would laugh at you if you paid $500 for an HD650. For some reason I recall them being priced higher than that but maybe it was my small frame of reference back when I had no money and I was 16 haha

 

As for price-to-performance ratio, don't tell the Sennheiser kids but I think it's well known that the DT880 spanks the HD650 :P


Edited by wahsmoh - 11/14/13 at 9:07am
post #5222 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Nice I actually had the Mad Dog and I HATED It, it was terrible imo. Good to hear the MD has stepped up a lot over the MD. Although I'm sure it's a little unfair to compare a 3.1 Mad Dog to a fully balanced Alpha Dog. And I honestly want the T1 my self. The angled drivers should give the T1 the same depth as the HD 800, width wise nothing is a wide as a HD800 nor does anything need to imo

 

Well th Mad Dog is very different from the DT 880 imo, The alpha dog is apprently a much brighter leaner can, where as the MD is pretty warm and dark

At the San Diego Head-fi meet on November 2nd no one brought a T1 :[ in fact I was the only person who brought a Beyer headphone(aside from someone's DT770)

 

I would say that most people at the meet had some kind of offering from Audeze or an HD800 for a flagship. I managed to hear the TH900 and Alpha Dogs side by side. Let's just say that the Alpha Dog absolutely destroys the TH900 in neutrality and detail. The TH900s are the funnest sounding closed V-shaped cans I have ever heard, but they aren't accurate and suck with music that needs air and space despite sounding more open than most closed cans. The LCD-3 has a hefty amount of bass though and I was surprised listening side by side to the TH900s and Alpha Dogs

 

Unfortunately the LCD-3 is way out of my reach for price and the Alpha Dogs are well within my reach and they offer performance in a closed headphone that is definitely groundbreaking. I couldn't believe my ears as to how open they sounded and the separation of instruments was very clear. They also isolate very well for a closed can which the TH900s couldn't do because of their awkward fit on the head.

 

Now, I just need $600 for a pair of Alpha Dogs and I will be set :]

 

EDIT::: I just listened to the same song I heard on the LCD-X at the head-fi meet on my DT880 and was shocked. The LCD-X was a warmer headphone that imaged some aspects of the guitar sound better while the treble was rounded off for people's "enjoyment." One thing I noticed on the DT880 that I didn't notice on the LCD-X was Eric Clapton tapping his foot on the ground while playing "Tears in Heaven" from his Unplugged album. You'd think with the LCD-X you would be able to image that due to elevated bass but I felt the LCD-X just imaged mids better and made the guitar fuzzy enough to handle without piercing your eardrums and made his foot tapping sound like a bass drum due to not being neutral. DT880s win in neutrality and for monitoring use to hear details in recordings and mixes. I WAS LIKE NO WAY, THAT IS HIS FOOT TAPPING THE GROUND. WHY DID I NOT HEAR THAT WHEN I WAS AT THE MEET AND LISTENED TO THAT SONG 5 TIMES? LCD-X = law of diminshing returns/disappointment


Edited by wahsmoh - 11/14/13 at 9:36am
post #5223 of 8210
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post
 

haha! we both have good taste.

I really want to go to another head-fi meet. It was like walking into a candy store. I'm sure we probably have similar taste in sound preference.

I EQ my DT880s a little bit for slight bass emphasis despite what people say, it doesn't bleed into the mids or highs that much and gives them a little bit more weight for certain genres that don't require as much air/space

 

 

I agree with this statement. Just like the evolution of the LCD-1 to LCD-X. I've heard all 4 and they sound relatively similar to each other aside from the much brighter LCD-X. No matter what revision they have, they're still going to sound more lush/warm/dark/fuzzy in comparison to an HE-6 or HD800. It's all a preference of sound signature. I missed my opportunity to try out a Stax SR-009 electrostat headphone :[ I kind of didn't want to listen to it out of fear they would sound too good.

 

You're right about the development costs for current flagships. Headphone hi-fi wasn't the same back in 2005 as it is today. I still recall buying cheap plastic gaming headsets to play Counter-Strike and BF2 matches back when I was in high school.  Today people will pay lots of $$$ to have the next brand new shiny thing and I'm still glad that these manufacturers have upped the ante on product development.

 

Back in 2005, I'm sure most people would laugh at you if you paid $500 for an HD650. For some reason I recall them being priced higher than that but maybe it was my small frame of reference back when I had no money and I was 16 haha

 

As for price-to-performance ratio, don't tell the Sennheiser kids but I think it's well known that the DT880 spanks the HD650 :P

I like you even more now.

But when I listen, I have my eq on flat! That's right FLAT! Bass is suffcient enough for me. I've tried playing around with the EQ but in the end, flat sounds the best to me. Like when I crank up some GAGA, the bass is more than enough for me :D And yes dt880 spanks hd650, not just ratiowise imo :D But thats just me. Me no likey veil. 

I really want to go to a headfi meet, but I always somehow end up busy and I don't even have a car in college :c

post #5224 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Nice I actually had the Mad Dog and I HATED It, it was terrible imo. Good to hear the MD has stepped up a lot over the MD. Although I'm sure it's a little unfair to compare a 3.1 Mad Dog to a fully balanced Alpha Dog. And I honestly want the T1 my self. The angled drivers should give the T1 the same depth as the HD 800, width wise nothing is a wide as a HD800 nor does anything need to imo 

 

Well th Mad Dog is very different from the DT 880 imo, The alpha dog is apprently a much brighter leaner can, where as the MD is pretty warm and dark 

I was about to pull the trigger on a pair of balanced alpha dogs a while back, but then...insufficient funds happened xD

But on my to listen list I still need to try out T1 th900 and lcd2/3 then I think I'll be set for life :D

post #5225 of 8210
Down with the Sennies! jklol I started with Senns, went from Senn HD201 to PX100 and then zig zagged a gamut of other cans before coming on board the Beyers, which I've firmly planted myself. I tried the HD600 and it's definitely not for me. Too laid back and boring for my liking so I sent it on it's way and used that money to buy the T90s. ~<3 biggrin.gif

E: @wahsmoh - Haven't heard the Clapton album in quite a while so I have that playing now. Thx for the reminder. biggrin.gif Sounds sooo good.

E2: One More Car, One More Rider is great too.
Edited by MrEleventy - 11/14/13 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by knightboy140 View Post

I like you even more now.
But when I listen, I have my eq on flat! That's right FLAT! Bass is suffcient enough for me. I've tried playing around with the EQ but in the end, flat sounds the best to me. Like when I crank up some GAGA, the bass is more than enough for me biggrin.gif And yes dt880 spanks hd650, not just ratiowise imo biggrin.gif But thats just me. Me no likey veil. 
I really want to go to a headfi meet, but I always somehow end up busy and I don't even have a car in college :c

Haha! I enjoy the flat frequency response with my DT880 for a lot of music. I just think they sound great EQ'd too :] But trust me I don't skew all my EQ. Everything is flat besides the bass registry and I have to elevate the low treble a little bit to compensate for the bass. I feel that it takes away from some of the air of the DT880s, but adds more energy to some genres that really need it.

It kind of gives my Asgard 2 a warm tubey sound. Plus the Asgard 2 is considered a slightly warm headphone amp. I would love to do a side by side with some offerings from Audio GD and the Bottlehead Crack biggrin.gif
post #5227 of 8210
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Down with the Sennies! 

INDEED INDEED... 

 

ALso I'd love to hear a T90 

 

I will say I still very much like my W1000x for vocals and Hip Hop! But the DT 880 does EVERYthing very nicely. Which is why I sold my poor HE 400... compared to the DT 880 and YES my HE 400 was FULLY balanced with a NICE Toxic Cable AND J$ Pads, anyways the DT 880 was just the better can at the end of the day for me, with a slight bit of EQ the DT 880 did great for EDM just as the HE 400 did. It was a SMIDGE slower but I can live with that in exchange for better mids and highs! 

post #5228 of 8210
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post


Haha! I enjoy the flat frequency response with my DT880 for a lot of music. I just think they sound great EQ'd too :] But trust me I don't skew all my EQ. Everything is flat besides the bass registry and I have to elevate the low treble a little bit to compensate for the bass. I feel that it takes away from some of the air of the DT880s, but adds more energy to some genres that really need it.

It kind of gives my Asgard 2 a warm tubey sound. Plus the Asgard 2 is considered a slightly warm headphone amp. I would love to do a side by side with some offerings from Audio GD and the Bottlehead Crack biggrin.gif

Can't comment on the Crack cuz I've never heard it. But Audio GD has really good products. So Audio GD DI really is amazing. I compared it to M2Tech Hiface which is about the same price, but the AudioGD DI is marginally better soundstage, imaging, bass wise, and just the overall presentation is so much more fuller and richer. 

Pretty sure their dacs and amps won't disappoint :D

post #5229 of 8210
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Originally Posted by knightboy140 View Post
 

Can't comment on the Crack cuz I've never heard it. But Audio GD has really good products. So Audio GD DI really is amazing. I compared it to M2Tech Hiface which is about the same price, but the AudioGD DI is marginally better soundstage, imaging, bass wise, and just the overall presentation is so much more fuller and richer. 

Pretty sure their dacs and amps won't disappoint :D

Yeap, I own a balanced Audio GD Dac... it detroys my Hm 801 and my old oDac! KingWa makes a great product! 

post #5230 of 8210
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Yeap, I own a balanced Audio GD Dac... it detroys my Hm 801 and my old oDac! KingWa makes a great product! 

asians man. Asians. :D

Hmm can you describe hm801 sound to me? I've always wondered if I should try portable hifi.

post #5231 of 8210
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Originally Posted by knightboy140 View Post
 

asians man. Asians. :D

Hmm can you describe hm801 sound to me? I've always wondered if I should try portable hifi.

... a lot like my Matrix M stage but with better Sound Stage width and depth 

post #5232 of 8210

I dont know if this has been posted before, but i'll post it anyway:

The writing on the grills (or whatever they're called) can get wiped out pretty easily. Even a simple scratch can erase some of the letters. I was watching a movie with my DT880's and i was tapping on the grills and this happened: 

The scratched/damaged side:

 

The safe side:

post #5233 of 8210
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post
 

I dont know if this has been posted before, but i'll post it anyway:

The writing on the grills (or whatever they're called) can get wiped out pretty easily. Even a simple scratch can erase some of the letters. I was watching a movie with my DT880's and i was tapping on the grills and this happened:

The scratched/damaged side:

 

The safe side:

Whew problem averted I have the Premiums :]

post #5234 of 8210

I've always wondered why they didn't use the name plaque on the Pro DT880, when virtually everything else is visually identical between the Premium and Pro lines. I didn't wonder this because I thought the print would actually rub off (though that just makes it an even more bizarre decision on their part), but rather because I just thought it looked kind of cheap and ugly compared to the engraved plaques on the Premium models.

 

My only explanation is that they figured they needed some other arbitrary way of making the two lines visually distinct, especially when the DT770 and DT990 Premium and Pro lines look very different from one another. And, despite the fact that I'm quite sure I wouldn't like the DT990 very much (V-shaped responses don't do it for me), I've been tempted on numerous occasions to pick up a Pro version just because I love the way they look. I also like the look of the Premium version, just not as much.

 

Something about Beyer styling just checks the right boxes for me. With the possible exception of something like a DT235 or DT250, I've liked the appearance of virtually all their headphones I've seen.

post #5235 of 8210

Yeah, I love the plaque on my Premiums, it looks a billion times nicer than the Pro version. Less susceptible to damage, too.

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