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So I've decided I'm going to return them for a refund, and I'm not going to look for another pair. This experience has left me with basically no confidence in the longevity of these cans, since drivers going out like this is well documented. Another problem with the one I received had was that the headphone adjustment mechanism is worn to the point of being basically useless. It's lost it's grip so much so that gravity will pull the earcups down so they're at the largest point. I've read about other people having this problem, so that's another point against the long term durability of the DT880. I also think that the design on the headband adjustment is quite cheap, I hate the way it swivels, it just doesn't feel right. It almost feels broken, it feels and sounds like you're popping a bone out. And it looks so cheaply put together the way the metal insert visibly pushes out against the plastic headband wrap, which you can see in stock pictures online. The pleather quality on the headband, for $300, is pretty uninspiring too. All in all, after coming from the D2000s, I call BS on the claims of amazing build quality on the Beyers. They're not bad, but I've seen much better (V-Moda, anybody?). They're certainly comfortable, and from what I could tell out of the right ear sound very nice, but I would be constantly worried about even a brand new one after my experience with this used one (since this confirms the bad things I've read about them before). They could look a little nicer, too. They're a bit "Pro Audio" looking for my tastes. High end consumer stuff is just more palatable in the aesthetics department.

 

It's just not a very impressive first experience with a Beyer, it's really turned me off these headphones, so back to Amazon they go and the hunt for a good desktop headphone continues. Might look more seriously at the NAD Viso HP50...


Edited by HeretixAevum - 11/12/13 at 1:02am
post #5177 of 8358
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

WOW, I am pissed off right now!

 

So I got my used DT880 600s just now in the mail from TNT, from Amazon Warehouse Deals, where apparently "We thoroughly test the functional and physical condition of each item and give the product a specific grade before selling it." 

 

Well the physical condition is excellent, no damage at all, everything is included, but... No sound out of the left driver. The condition was listed as "Very good", which I agree with, but every item they sell is supposed to be totally functional. This is clearly a headphone that was returned for being faulty, and has somehow been mistakenly resold. Geez, what a terrible first experience with a Beyer product :mad:

 

So, I looked at the return / refund section just now, and for this item I can't get a replacement, only returns are available. That might not seem so bad, but the worst part of it all is that I'm an Australian, and had to use a mail forwarding service to get it here (which was expensive). I imagine they would probably not pay for return shipping since I'm international and they don't actually ship it here. If I have to pay shipping for returns just to get a refund, I'm going to end up over $100 out of pocket on this terrible experience. What a disaster.

 

So I'm contacting the sellers and I'm going to try and rattle my cage loud enough that they cut me a break and either pay for return shipping and/or give me a replacement, however, I'm wondering about my other options. I know that one side going out is a well documented problem on the Beyer. Does anybody know if it's an actual driver problem, or is it a soldering one? If it's the latter, maybe my best option would be to have it re-soldered (or even go all out for a re-cable entirely? A shorter cable would be nice). If my luck with Amazon falls through and it's going to end up being a big loss for me to return it, finding somebody to fix it could be the best option.

 

*Sigh*

 

Outside of that, the headphones themselves certainly feel quite solid, and quite comfortable on the head. The earcup/grill design looks even better in person, it's very attractive. I really am not going to give any impressions of the sound, because I can't really tell what they sound like accurately at all from one of the sides being dead. I can tell a few things, though. The headphones are quite fast, and the bass reach and cleanliness sounds really good to me. I can't determine soundstage at all with one ear, unfortunately. I think the bass would be right where I'd like it. They sound thin and shrill, though, however the same thing happens with my CAL! with only one ear, too, but to a bit of a lesser extent. Brightness is one thing I've worried about with this headphones, along with bass. I'm pretty reassured about the bass, it sounds pretty nice from what I can tell, but the one ear effect does the treble no favours, but I'm sure it'll sound much more balanced and pleasurable with two. 

 

So, a very disappointing experience that's really ruined my day. Any insight about the re-cabling would be welcome from any of you who know about it! For now, I'm off to contact Amazon and maybe send a line over to BTG Audio to enquire about recabling. Might be nice to get a removable cable or something :)

No No dude... you find out who owns that Company and you GIVE HIM A FREAKING CALL. I know a guy who is very good at... well getting good customer service! You raise enough legitmit hell and some one will respond. In addition here in the USA we have a "Better Business Bureau" which pretty much takes legal action again'st companies with bad business practices. And False advertisment [which is the claim they made and the product you got] aditionally, see what "Better Business Bureau" exist in your country, there could have also been some damage in the shipment of the product! So find out the name of the shipping company and give them some hell to. You should have gotten your product shipped with some kind of insurance! [If you paid $100 it better have some kind of insurance] non the less, don't take that lying down. Do some reaserach find out exactly what options you have and make some very serious phone calls. Refrain from swearing and what not, and KNOW AND DEMAND your rights! 

 

Sorry to hear about that though :[ still how does the one ear sound xD 

post #5178 of 8358
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

So I've decided I'm going to return them for a refund, and I'm not going to look for another pair. This experience has left me with basically no confidence in the longevity of these cans, since drivers going out like this is well documented. Another problem with the one I received had was that the headphone adjustment mechanism is worn to the point of being basically useless. It's lost it's grip so much so that gravity will pull the earcups down so they're at the largest point. I've read about other people having this problem, so that's another point against the long term durability of the DT880. I also think that the design on the headband adjustment is quite cheap, I hate the way it swivels, it just doesn't feel right. It almost feels broken, it feels and sounds like you're popping a bone out. And it looks so cheaply put together the way the metal insert visibly pushes out against the plastic headband wrap, which you can see in stock pictures online. The pleather quality on the headband, for $300, is pretty uninspiring too. All in all, after coming from the D2000s, I call BS on the claims of amazing build quality on the Beyers. They're not bad, but I've seen much better (V-Moda, anybody?). They're certainly comfortable, and from what I could tell out of the right ear sound very nice, but I would be constantly worried about even a brand new one after my experience with this used one (since this confirms the bad things I've read about them before). They could look a little nicer, too. They're a bit "Pro Audio" looking for my tastes. High end consumer stuff is just more palatable in the aesthetics department.

 

It's just not a very impressive first experience with a Beyer, it's really turned me off these headphones, so back to Amazon they go and the hunt for a good desktop headphone continues. Might look more seriously at the NAD Viso HP50...

Also I agree on the Build Quality... I find the Pro Models to be built much better. IMO the preuim models feel very cheap as you mentioned :/ [I have a DT 880 Premium and I'm not a fan of it's build at all] That said, Sorry to hear Beyer pissed you off :[ 

 

You could Try Audio Technica :D I am actually getting to review the AD 2000X! While it may be above your price range, I did very much enjoy my ATH AD900X. If you can find the AD1000x It might be another wonderful option for you as well! 

 

I'm also glad I've yet to get a bad Beyer >.> I've owned three so far and I've loved them all! 

post #5179 of 8358
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

And this is why I don't buy used... That is really too bad, can't really blame Beyer for the bad experience. Just the bad seller. Buy local and buy new to save a world of grief, cost you more but aggravation is not worth it. Good Luck!
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In all fairness, you can buy used, but it should be from head-fi where I have yet to read about somebody selling goods that were dead on arrival. I'm sure it happens, but it must be rare. I know I have purchased 3 used headphones through head-fi without an issue.

post #5180 of 8358
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

In all fairness, you can buy used, but it should be from head-fi where I have yet to read about somebody selling goods that were dead on arrival. I'm sure it happens, but it must be rare. I know I have purchased 3 used headphones through head-fi without an issue.
Yeah, a lot of HFers baby their equipment. Just about all my stuff has been bought from HF's sale threads. Only 3 exceptions and that's the T90s, Technical Pro HPT990, and the E10. Everything else I've bought on here and plenty happy about it. Just make sure you do some hw before you randomly buy. smily_headphones1.gif
post #5181 of 8358
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 

In all fairness, you can buy used, but it should be from head-fi where I have yet to read about somebody selling goods that were dead on arrival. I'm sure it happens, but it must be rare. I know I have purchased 3 used headphones through head-fi without an issue.

Yes from Head-Fi would be ideal if someone is selling when you want to buy, I scoured the FS forum first before I grabbed my Little Dot MK IV from China. There just wasn't any other choices in my price range at the time or they only shipped to ConUS. I my circumstance I had to make the purchase then and eBay from China it was... You always wonder "What if it gets smashed on the way here?" that would be a world of grief shipping it back and forth via courier as the mail would be ridiculous for a heavy large box.

 

Canadian made was a choice but well out of my price range, nice stuff the Mapletree gear is for sure!

 

No matter what you buy, ya rolls da dice and takes yer chances. :D 


Edited by TrollDragon - 11/12/13 at 10:39am
post #5182 of 8358
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post


Yeah, a lot of HFers baby their equipment. Just about all my stuff has been bought from HF's sale threads. Only 3 exceptions and that's the T90s, Technical Pro HPT990, and the E10. Everything else I've bought on here and plenty happy about it. Just make sure you do some hw before you randomly buy. smily_headphones1.gif

Yeah, I tried to find a used 880 600 on the sale forum but the were none, they seem to be in high demand, all the ones from the past few months had sold quite quickly.

And I certainly wouldn't have bought them from a random eBayer, you would think buying from Amazon's used warehouse that guarantees the full functionality of their products would be a safe bet, but apparently not. They won't be receiving my business again. 

post #5183 of 8358
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post

So I've decided I'm going to return them for a refund, and I'm not going to look for another pair. This experience has left me with basically no confidence in the longevity of these cans, since drivers going out like this is well documented. Another problem with the one I received had was that the headphone adjustment mechanism is worn to the point of being basically useless. It's lost it's grip so much so that gravity will pull the earcups down so they're at the largest point. I've read about other people having this problem, so that's another point against the long term durability of the DT880. I also think that the design on the headband adjustment is quite cheap, I hate the way it swivels, it just doesn't feel right. It almost feels broken, it feels and sounds like you're popping a bone out. And it looks so cheaply put together the way the metal insert visibly pushes out against the plastic headband wrap, which you can see in stock pictures online. The pleather quality on the headband, for $300, is pretty uninspiring too. All in all, after coming from the D2000s, I call BS on the claims of amazing build quality on the Beyers. They're not bad, but I've seen much better (V-Moda, anybody?). They're certainly comfortable, and from what I could tell out of the right ear sound very nice, but I would be constantly worried about even a brand new one after my experience with this used one (since this confirms the bad things I've read about them before). They could look a little nicer, too. They're a bit "Pro Audio" looking for my tastes. High end consumer stuff is just more palatable in the aesthetics department.

It's just not a very impressive first experience with a Beyer, it's really turned me off these headphones, so back to Amazon they go and the hunt for a good desktop headphone continues. Might look more seriously at the NAD Viso HP50...

Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with the Beyers. I have to agree with Mshenay's notion the Pro models are built better than the Premium ones. You could also look into AKG if you haven't already, probably something like the K612 or K712. I can vouch for the K612, especially if you are looking for linearity and neutrality.
post #5184 of 8358

Yeah, there's a lot of options for me, and this experience sure has been a disappointment, but...

 

*sigh*

 

I just can't bring myself to return them so quickly, I only got them yesterday! I feel that the comfort is so good, and the sound out of the right ear is so promising, that I want to give them a chance. I've found a guy in my own country who agrees that it likely is as I suspected, a cable or soldering issue. He's told me he can repair the solder for $30AU or recable the headphones with a D2000 cable for $50. Amazon did offer me a partial refund for me to keep the Beyers, and the refund would cover that repair cost. As for the headband, I'd be happy with it if the slider actually held onto the yolk properly without it sliding all over the place, I think thats the main culprit of the general sense of looseness and cheapness I'm getting. From what I understand I can get that holder part replaced, and I can install it myself. With those two fixes, I think I'd really like these, and even if I didn't, after those two repairs they would be in like new condition, and easy to sell on the trade forums. I think I should probably go for that option. I have until Jan the 14th to return them to amazon, so I have time to give this route a try at the very least.

 

So, now to email the cable man and Beyer for the replacement part... Wish me luck!


Edited by HeretixAevum - 11/12/13 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post

Yeah, there's a lot of options for me, and this experience sure has been a disappointment, but...

*sigh*

I just can't bring myself to return them so quickly, I only got them yesterday! I feel that the comfort is so good, and the sound out of the right ear is so promising, that I want to give them a chance. I've found a guy in my own country who agrees that it likely is as I suspected, a cable or soldering issue. He's told me he can repair the solder for $30AU or recable the headphones with a D2000 cable for $50. Amazon did offer me a partial refund for me to keep the Beyers, and the refund would cover that repair cost. As for the headband, I'd be happy with it if the slider actually held onto the yolk properly without it sliding all over the place, I think thats the main culprit of the general sense of looseness and cheapness I'm getting. From what I understand I can get that holder part replaced, and I can install it myself. With those two fixes, I think I'd really like these, and even if I didn't, after those two repairs they would be in like new condition, and easy to sell on the trade forums. I think I should probably go for that option. I have until Jan the 14th to return them to amazon, so I have time to give this route a try at the very least.

So, now to email the cable man and Beyer for the replacement part... Wish me luck!
Before you send them off for repairs, I would do this first.
Take the 880s apart following this guide (DTxxx series comes apart the same way).

If you have a multimeter, you can check to see if the driver is good by checking the tabs. If they return a reading, they're good and a resolder can fix it. If there's no readings, the tabs might've become disconnected from the driver wiring which can be bad or reallly bad. Bad can be fixed, really bad can not. The drivers are connect to the tabs by a really fine copper wire that comes out of the driver housing. When they snap, they'll either snap from the tab (Recoverable) or from the driver (dead driver).

If you don't have a multimeter, you can at least visually inspect the tabs for the wires and the driver housing. If you're feeling adventurous, I would feed the HPs some music and poke the wire onto the tab themselves and see if anything comes out. GL w/ whatever you choose to do! dt880smile.png
Edited by MrEleventy - 11/12/13 at 2:07pm
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^ I don't have a multimeter or any kind of tools, but I just tried opening it up to see if I could visually inspect what you're talking about, but I just can't get that plastic ring out, it feels like it doesn't want to budge. I'm afraid of damaging it by applying too much force, especially since I'm try to keep the prospect of an amazon return open. So, I'm just going to finalise the repair and send it off, and if it turns out he can't fix it, I'll just have to cut my losses and return it. I'm just not feeling adventurous enough to open it myself. I really, really hope it's as simple as a resolder. A DOA driver would be such a disappointment. What kind of abuse would it take to do that, anyway?

 

However, this morning I have managed to make some progress with the headband slider. I'll use the pictures to insist that I'm not TOTALLY useless at taking things apart, I figured this all out by myself! *Puffs out chest*

 

 

 

 

As you can see in the last picture, the top of the plastic bump inside the clip has been worn flat, hence the lack of grip. In the third picture you can see the visible black residue from the plastic being worn out over the yolks bumps. I've emailed Beyer with the pictures and I'm asking for a good 4 or 5 pairs so I can repair it but also be set just in case it happens more than once (can never have too many spare bits!). I think I should be able to make a single pair last though, I'm pretty sure I'd just have it on the one setting at pretty much all times, so there shouldn't be too much wear... Kind of annoying that a part like this is able to wear so easily, however I must give props to them for designing it in a way that's so easy to fix.


Edited by HeretixAevum - 11/12/13 at 3:19pm
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^ I don't have a multimeter or any kind of tools, but I just tried opening it up to see if I could visually inspect what you're talking about, but I just can't get that plastic ring out, it feels like it doesn't want to budge. I'm afraid of damaging it by applying too much force, especially since I'm try to keep the prospect of an amazon return open.

When it comes to taking the plastic ring out, take a small flat head screwdriver or something similar that will fit in the small grooves on the outer part of the plastic ring, and slowly ease it out a little in each of the grooves and the plastic ring will loosen and pop right out quite easily.

post #5188 of 8358

I've managed to get those rings off before, basically by following the same method as kman above. It takes a little directed force but it definitely wasn't difficult. In my case I took them off because I wanted to get a better purchase on the foam with my lint roller. Plus, I was just curious what was under there (the driver is further protected by a sheet of white material, so you don't have to be quite as gentle as you might otherwise imagine). Amazingly, I found some relatively long hairs there that had clearly worked their way through the foam.

post #5189 of 8358
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Originally Posted by HeretixAevum View Post
 

^ I don't have a multimeter or any kind of tools, but I just tried opening it up to see if I could visually inspect what you're talking about, but I just can't get that plastic ring out, it feels like it doesn't want to budge. I'm afraid of damaging it by applying too much force, especially since I'm try to keep the prospect of an amazon return open.

When it comes to taking the plastic ring out, take a small flat head screwdriver or something similar that will fit in the small grooves on the outer part of the plastic ring, and slowly ease it out a little in each of the grooves and the plastic ring will loosen and pop right out quite easily.

 

Not likely a poor solder joint causing the problem, unless someone has tampered inside.  I have had bad drivers twice on my DT880's, one that they sent me was 650 ohms, a real mismatch, but Beyer replaced it with a 603 ohm driver and imbalance was fixed.....bought them used from headfi initially!  You need to have very good soldering skills to work with the Beyer's, and a variable heat soldering iron set to about 650 - 700 degrees, with stained glass flux and high quality solder......with this setup you only need to touch the driver tabs for about 2 seconds.....too much heat too long may damage the driver!  Of you have a multimeter you can check resistance at the plug end between ground and tip/ ground and ring for left and right driver....should be approx. 600 ohms.  One of the bad drivers that I had, the resistance fluctuated back and forth over 1000 ohms down to around 800 ohms.....definitely bad!

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OK, I got it out, but I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for. It looks intact to me, but then I again I have no idea what I'm talking about!

 

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