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post #4381 of 7995
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

If the SR-207 is anything like the SR-407 (or god forbid the higher end models) then I totally understand and I agree with you. The SR-407 I demo'ed had a smoothness and effortless accuracy that I've never heard in any dynamic headphone. Both my HD600s and DT880s sounded congested and grainy by comparison as did all of my headphones. Electrostats are truly a different experience. To me, relatively, dynamics sound strained, as if you can hear the cone driver straining to reproduce the sounds, whereas with electrostats the sound is just there, magically existing effortlessly, as if a miniature version of the band was sitting there playing the instruments for you. Ultimately you get a smoothness and accuracy that probably not even the best dynamics in the world can compete with. I agree with you, they really aren't prohibitively expensive. I'm planning on eventually getting the SR-407 / SRM-252S setup. Having demo'ed them I know they would be worth the $1100 they cost, at least to me. Its pricey but not too pricey for what you get IMO. Were the special electrostat amp not required, which is half the cost, they would be an absolute no-brainer and an even better value than the venerable DT880 and HD600.

I've never tried this myself, but one guy I trust suggested that if I wanted to get into Stax, to get an SRS-2170 system and if I like what I hear and want an upgrade, he suggested that I upgrade the amp first.

Best sound I've ever heard out of a pair of DT880 was from the headphone jack in the Audiolab M-DAC.

At a meet a few months ago a guy showed up with a pair of balanced HD600s and about $4,000 worth of DAC and balanced amp.......crazy, but it sounded amazing!wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #4382 of 7995
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Best sound I've ever heard out of a pair of DT880 was from the headphone jack in the Audiolab M-DAC.

 

Honestly looking at specs, that things running the same DAC chip as the Audio GD I'm to order, not to mention the balanced out as well on the Audio GD. The only differance between the Audio Lab M-Dac would be the specs and build of the Headphone Amp section, as I have no idea what OP amps either of them are pushing

 

still I'm confident my upgrtade to Audio GD Dac/H Amp is gonna let the 880s shine a lil more :D 

post #4383 of 7995
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post
 

And since you took that picture... you'd know.

 

I normally wouldn't use an open HP for editing... unless it's very quiet in the room. And I would tend to use cans that are less bright for that purpose.

But the DT880's are great for just listening. For kicking back and getting into the music, into the detail.

 

And nah... IEM's only, for workout. Nothing else will do.  biggrin.gif

 

Haha.

 

I'd love to try the DT880 600 out of my new source combo now. ALO Continental v2 + Fiio D3.

 

Coupled with my ES10, I'm hearing a dark, laid back but clean and hyper rounded/smooth sound that's more midrange-centric. Something I think the DT880 will seriously benefit from.

 

Yeah, I don't like a super bright sound either. It doesn't have to be so dark that it's muffled, but still... just enough sparkles to get the point across would be nice. :D

 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Well I'd imagine that once you get into higher end models, He-500, T1 and the such those may be One for all and all for one headphones, but the Dt 880 does not to everything as well as I would like it to! 

 

Or perhaps you're not hearing them out of the right source!

 

I'm a midrange head... as much as they come, so... the DT880 doesn't have that midrange emphasis that I enjoy.

But still, I have heard the DT880 produce some seriously good music out of certain sources. Once you find a combo that can tame that edgy treble just enough that it's still sharp, but smooth and not piercing... and bring out the midrange, then... I think you'll find that the DT880 can be that all-in-one headphone.

 

I've found that happen with Burson HA-160D (and I guess Burson Conductor will only make it better) and out of Bottlehead Crack, and recently out of shane55's Audiolab M-DAC. I don't doubt that it can happen with some other sources.

 

And I can't wait to try my ALO Continental. Seriously, I think this is it! Once I hear a DT880 600 (or perhaps 250 would do as well) and confirm it, you bet I'll own a DT880 again. Simply because there are times when I'll want to hear the DT880's massive soundstage again. :beerchug:


Edited by Bill-P - 9/3/13 at 11:08pm
post #4384 of 7995
indeed

currawong describes the 10es2 as a dark amp. in that the mids really shine yet the amp is still very tonally balanced. I think it will b a great upgrade

also dude the.es10 is not a cheap can redface.gif what did urs cost in total after the mod
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Haha, at this point, I would rather not say... just because I don't think the price matters anymore.

 

I'm enjoying the living hell out of my old music collection. None of that "I rediscovered my music" but just simply... "I'm loving the sound of my music".

 

And also to say, it's not just the headphone. The ALO Continental is also in the chain and it's what makes this possible.

 

The more I listen to this, the more I want to plug a DT880 in.

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

Haha, at this point, I would rather not say... just because I don't think the price matters anymore.

I'm enjoying the living hell out of my old music collection. None of that "I rediscovered my music" but just simply... "I'm loving the sound of my music".

And also to say, it's not just the headphone. The ALO Continental is also in the chain and it's what makes this possible.

The more I listen to this, the more I want to plug a DT880 in.

well it seems to b in the stock price range of the w1000 so the mods n ur amp seem to b making it all magical (n pricy)
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I used to think that they would be able to play balls with the big boys

 

I hope you didn't quite mean that the way it reads.

 

 

:tongue_smile:

post #4388 of 7995
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Well I'd imagine that once you get into higher end models, He-500, T1 and the such those may be One for all and all for one headphones, but the Dt 880 does not to everything as well as I would like it to!

 

 

Well, I've owned two HE-500s now and after extensive auditioning preferred the DT880 Pro. I've also owned the LCD-2-1 and don't really miss it.

No, the 880 doesn't do everything as well as I'd like it to either, but it has certain virtues that make it invaluable, certainly in its price range. Lack of colouration is one. Balance is another, by which I mean no part of the FR sticks out save that treble peak; tame that (not difficult) and you've got a gem. Those two things alone make it virtually unique. It will never suit everyone, but for someone like me seeking to reproduce the sound of a live orchestra without spending a bundle it's near unbeatable.

 

Of course, if you're looking to do other things, there are alternatives.

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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

Well, I've owned two HE-500s now and after extensive auditioning preferred the DT880 Pro. I've also owned the LCD-2-1 and don't really miss it.

No, the 880 doesn't do everything as well as I'd like it to either, but it has certain virtues that make it invaluable, certainly in its price range. Lack of colouration is one. Balance is another, by which I mean no part of the FR sticks out save that treble peak; tame that (not difficult) and you've got a gem. Those two things alone make it virtually unique. It will never suit everyone, but for someone like me seeking to reproduce the sound of a live orchestra without spending a bundle it's near unbeatable.

 

Of course, if you're looking to do other things, there are alternatives.

 

I totally agree with you but I would take it one step further and point out that like most dynamics, especially open ones, the DT880 has rolled off sub-bass. Lately, after getting the DT1350 and demo'ing the TH-600, I've realized I need sub-bass that is at least neutral in order to get the right atmosphere and impact from some of the music I listen to. I've been playing around in EasyQ for the last couple of days and have come up with this EQ. As you mentioned, slightly taming the treble spike lets the mids come out more and also imparts a slightly more accurate tone to the high mids and low treble. And of course compensating for the rolled off sub-bass provides plenty of low end atmosphere for some of the genres I listen to including electronic but also stuff where things like large drums need sub-bass energy to provide to the song the impact they were meant to.

 

 

 

EDIT -- Here's the above EQ if you want to try it out:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/957144/00_880_01_7.xml

 

EDIT 2 -- Here's the same one with slightly less emphasized sub-bass and 1db less of global gain reduction. This one to me sounds pretty darn close to perfectly neutral from 20hz to 20khz:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/957144/00_880_01_6.xml

 

Obviously you'll need enough clean power from your amp to compensate for the overall reduction in gain. I know a lot of people frown on EQ'ing their headphones but I'm surprised at how many of those people either have never tried it or have never done it properly. I highly encourage you to play around with EQ regardless of your feelings regarding it. You might be very surprised. The first thing you need to know is that if its causing noticeable distortion you're either not doing it right, your amp has distortion at the volume levels required for compensation, or you're using a crappy EQ.


Edited by devhen - 9/4/13 at 4:56am
post #4390 of 7995
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Honestly looking at specs, that things running the same DAC chip as the Audio GD I'm to order, not to mention the balanced out as well on the Audio GD. The only differance between the Audio Lab M-Dac would be the specs and build of the Headphone Amp section, as I have no idea what OP amps either of them are pushing

still I'm confident my upgrtade to Audio GD Dac/H Amp is gonna let the 880s shine a lil more biggrin.gif 

The M-DAC uses a discrete output stage which also doubles as the headphone amp!
You can drive headphones SE or balanced.
I think the power supply in the M-DAC is a lot more elaborate, but I'm not really sure.
post #4391 of 7995
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


The M-DAC uses a discrete output stage which also doubles as the headphone amp!
You can drive headphones SE or balanced.
I think the power supply in the M-DAC is a lot more elaborate, but I'm not really sure.

Id imagine it has to be better ofc in some way

and yea I DO NOT eq my headphones [unless it's EDM, in which case the Dt 990 is END game for me with eq] just because my headphones are like my friends <3 seeing as I hate "make up" and "accessories" on people [screw it my headphones are like my LADY friends] I feel you gatta love em as they are, in this metaphor clothing is like an amp or a dac, and EQ is like make up [which I really hate]

 

And for me I lean towards bright ish cans, so any "slighty dark" amp will work wonders! Am I'm approaching the purchase of my first one :D, that an I feely %100 that the Hm 801 will be GODLY with the Dt 880s [assuming it has that slight treble roll off] pair that with the slight mid upper mid color of the iBasso Pb1 and I should have one hell of a winner! I LOVED my dt 990 Pro with my old Hm601 and cMoy. So driving the Dt 880 balanced out of the pb1 [the signal won't be balanced but it should make things better any ways] and out of the  hm 801 should be really awesome! 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Id imagine it has to be better ofc in some way

and yea I DO NOT eq my headphones [unless it's EDM, in which case the Dt 990 is END game for me with eq] just because my headphones are like my friends <3 seeing as I hate "make up" and "accessories" on people [screw it my headphones are like my LADY friends] I feel you gatta love em as they are, in this metaphor clothing is like an amp or a dac, and EQ is like make up [which I really hate]

 

Fair enough but if you've never tried it (other than boosting the bass on your 990s) you might be surprised. And I wouldn't be surprised if you end up using EQ sometime down the road (it happened to me!). I also love my headphones like friends but no one is perfect and if I can help them be more perfect then I feel like I should. :) No headphone is perfect, the best example being the one that I've brought up a couple times now, that most dynamics have less than neutral sub-bass. If EQ can help that without causing additional problems, which has been the case for me, then I see no reason not to do it. After all, its all about subjectively enjoying our equipment. But to each his own!

 

:beerchug:


Edited by devhen - 9/4/13 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

 

Fair enough but if you've never tried it you might be surprised. And I wouldn't be surprised if you end up using EQ sometime down the road (it happened to me!). I also love my headphones like friends but no one is perfect and if I can help them be more perfect then I feel like I should. :) No headphone is perfect, the best example being the one that I've brought up a couple times now, that most dynamics have less than neutral sub-bass. If EQ can help that without causing additional problems, which has been the case for me, then I see no reason not to do it. After all, its all about subjectively enjoying our equipment. But to each his own!

 

:beerchug:

 

Yep - this

 

Over time I've continued to appreciate how much a delicately applied EQ tweak can change the 'very enjoyable' into the "wow - that was awesome" category.  It's also very surprising the transformation you can make from a mediocre 'cheap / generic' headphone/earphone - to something that actually sounds pretty good.

 

Even more surprising (especially in portable audio) that some people will elect to buy a coloured amp, or one with EQ, to drive headphones that don't really need an amp - rather than applying a simple EQ which will net a better result.

post #4394 of 7995
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The M-DAC uses a discrete output stage which also doubles as the headphone amp!
You can drive headphones SE or balanced.
I think the power supply in the M-DAC is a lot more elaborate, but I'm not really sure.

Id imagine it has to be better ofc in some way

and yea I DO NOT eq my headphones [unless it's EDM, in which case the Dt 990 is END game for me with eq] just because my headphones are like my friends <3 seeing as I hate "make up" and "accessories" on people [screw it my headphones are like my LADY friends] I feel you gatta love em as they are, in this metaphor clothing is like an amp or a dac, and EQ is like make up [which I really hate]

 

 

 

 

I'm a bit like that too. I just can't come at EQ as EQ, though I have no qualms about ordinary tone controls. At the moment I use -2db on a Marantz SR4023 stereo receiver to tame the treble; tonight, after reading devhen's post, I might try +2 on the bass as well. But EQ? Nah, I'll pass.

post #4395 of 7995
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

well it seems to b in the stock price range of the w1000 so the mods n ur amp seem to b making it all magical (n pricy)

 

Well, as I travel a lot (to school, to places, and to other countries), I need my gears to be reasonably portable.

 

That's one of the reasons that pushed me to let the DT880 go.

 

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I hope you didn't quite mean that the way it reads.

 

:tongue_smile:

I meant it exactly as it reads! :beerchug:

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