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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

Funny how some people say the DT880 doesn't work for certain genres, and yet one of my absolute favorite things about it is how good it sounds on everything to me. I don't really find that it excels at any one genre because it manages to deliver roughly equivalent performance across the gamut.

 

 

 

Which of course is pretty much the litmus test of how accurate and neutral a headphone is, and the opposite of what I was saying about trying to match headphone colourations to genres. The latter probably explains the recent phenomenon, also incomprehensible to me, of multiple headphones. If you've got a headphone with a certain colouration to soup up one sort of music, and another for another sort of music, it's no wonder you need a battery of "complementary" headphones, rather than just one neutral one that does a merely good job on all genres but doesn't soup up any particular one. Personally I find it all a bit of a mystery.

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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

Which of course is pretty much the litmus test of how accurate and neutral a headphone is, and the opposite of what I was saying about trying to match headphone colourations to genres. The latter probably explains the recent phenomenon, also incomprehensible to me, of multiple headphones. If you've got a headphone with a certain colouration to soup up one sort of music, and another for another sort of music, it's no wonder you need a battery of "complementary" headphones, rather than just one neutral one that does a merely good job on all genres but doesn't soup up any particular one. Personally I find it all a bit of a mystery.

 

I think its because no headphone is perfect. For me, lately I've noticed how important well extended deep bass is for me and I don't think it would be a stretch to associate that need with certain genres. For me some 'genres' need neutral or better sub bass all the way to 20hz or lower to add the accurate amount of low end atmosphere, the same way you need well extended treble to really provide the sparkly high-end atmosphere, the same I think can be said for the opposite end of the spectrum and in that area dynamic headphones have historically done quite poorly, especially open cans like the DT880 obviously, so despite being quite neutral I don't think its an end-all headphone and there may never be an end-all headphone, at least for me. ;) They all have slightly different signatures, presentations, and tones and none are perfect or at least not perfect for all situations. I own several simply because I find it enjoyable to experiment with those different characteristics with my music and I do find that certain attributes tend to subjectively improve certain 'genres'.


Edited by devhen - 9/3/13 at 4:30am
post #4368 of 7922
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

 

I think its because no headphone is perfect. , at least for me. ;) They all have slightly different signatures, presentations, and tones and none are perfect or at least not perfect for all situations. I own several simply because I find it enjoyable to experiment with those different characteristics with my music and I do find that certain attributes tend to subjectively improve certain 'genres'.

Exactly, there is no perfect headphone. So we own numerous ones, and the experimenting is what makes it fun

 

but for the record the DT 880 has always been my refrance can. I measures others based on it's performance! I really ought to keep my K550 around seeing as it is a refrance for closed cans. I've not found a closed headphone as linear and neutral as the K550. Although at some point that will change 

 

Now sitting in my programming class... I wonder if I need isolation or not and if leakage will b an issue? As we type you can hear 30 keyboards clacking so any noise leaked might be un noticed due to the noise already in the room, in addition I wonder will I want isolation to attempt to remove some of that


Edited by Mshenay - 9/3/13 at 5:29am
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Owning numerous headphones for different genres/purposes sure as hell is fun, but not so fun for the wallet. Especially if you're a highschool student lol.
post #4370 of 7922
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

Owning numerous headphones for different genres/purposes sure as hell is fun, but not so fun for the wallet. Especially if you're a highschool student lol.

It's even worse if your a College student, I have all your bills and then some q.q

 

but every one spends thier money on having fun, at least [some of us] don't smoke and AudioPhile it up... I'd hate to be a smoker q.q all that money spent on cigs = a new head phone every 4 months xD [less or more but u get the idea] 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

It's even worse if your a College student, I have all your bills and then some q.q

but every one spends thier money on having fun, at least [some of us] don't smoke and AudioPhile it up... I'd hate to be a smoker q.q all that money spent on cigs = a new head phone every 4 months xD [less or more but u get the idea] 
Yeah, and whats worse is that they're draining their health + wasting money.

Sometimes being an audio maniac is a good thing i guess xD
post #4372 of 7922
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

It's even worse if your a College student, I have all your bills and then some q.q

 

All the more reason to pursue "perfection" and find that one headphone... coupled with that one amp, and that one source... that will satisfy all of your listening needs. Only then will you be cured of upgrade-itis and G.A.S. that every gear slut suffers from. tongue.gif

 

I guess I'm just lucky that I've "almost" reached that end. And even more fortunate that it doesn't have to be a Stax rig or HD800 rig. Those can be quite costly.

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One headphone to rule them all.

 

I have never been a headphone genre person. If the headphones are right, they are right for all music... my opinion.

I have several headphones, but they are for different tasks. Editing, working out, relaxation-listening, etc. Not for the type of music.

 

A criteria I have in choosing my headphones is that they serve me for all types of music. If they are limited to a type, I will avoid them. 
 

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

All the more reason to pursue "perfection" and find that one headphone... coupled with that one amp, and that one source... that will satisfy all of your listening needs. Only then will you be cured of upgrade-itis and G.A.S. that every gear slut suffers from. tongue.gif

 

I guess I'm just lucky that I've "almost" reached that end. And even more fortunate that it doesn't have to be a Stax rig or HD800 rig. Those can be quite costly.

 

Stax doesn't have to be expensive: I have the Stax SRS-2170 system: headphones and amp for $750.00. This maybe heresy in the DT880 thread but I think I prefer them to my DT880.
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

One headphone to rule them all.

 

I have never been a headphone genre person. If the headphones are right, they are right for all music... my opinion.

I have several headphones, but they are for different tasks. Editing, working out, relaxation-listening, etc. Not for the type of music.

 

A criteria I have in choosing my headphones is that they serve me for all types of music. If they are limited to a type, I will avoid them. 

 

Well, looking at your avatar, I bet I have an idea of what that "one headphone" may be.

 

Though I'm just wondering... how does the DT880 serve you? As an editing headphone or for relaxation? Because I'm sure you probably wouldn't want to use them for working out. Even though you could... tongue.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Stax doesn't have to be expensive: I have the Stax SRS-2170 system: headphones and amp for $750.00.This maybe heresy in the DT880 thread but I think I prefer them to my DT880.
 

You're right. Stax doesn't have to be expensive. But in my opinions, lower-end Stax systems may still be beaten by some of the more modern rigs of equal value. So...

 

And I don't think it's heresy at all. The DT880 is still, at the end of the day, a mid-fi headphone IMO.

 

I used to think that they would be able to play balls with the big boys, but obviously my listening experience shattered those expectations.

 

Amping does get them pretty close, though, but still not quite. And since they are so good at everything, they just aren't very good at any one thing. That's their major selling point but also their weakness IMO.


Edited by Bill-P - 9/3/13 at 9:24am
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I am back! Finished moving and mostly unpacked in my new home. biggrin.gif

I agree with a lot that's been said about the DT880s. Their genre mastery is a pro and a con. It's a pro when it's your best set but it's a con when it no longer is. I still love my set but it gets very little head time now since I got my T90s. The DT880s are my "HD600s". It's what I put on when I want to relax and chill. It's veiled and smooth compared to the T90s. I used to reach for it when I get fatigued by the T90s highs but after some breaking in time, I don't find the highs as shrill anymore so it stays on for the duration of my work day. I might just bring it home and use them there. I definitely have no intention of selling them for quite some time. They sound great and they're sentimental for me since they got me into the Beyer sound. dt880smile.png
post #4377 of 7922
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Stax doesn't have to be expensive: I have the Stax SRS-2170 system: headphones and amp for $750.00. This maybe heresy in the DT880 thread but I think I prefer them to my DT880.

 

If the SR-207 is anything like the SR-407 (or god forbid the higher end models) then I totally understand and I agree with you. The SR-407 I demo'ed had a smoothness and effortless accuracy that I've never heard in any dynamic headphone. Both my HD600s and DT880s sounded congested and grainy by comparison as did all of my headphones. Electrostats are truly a different experience. To me, relatively, dynamics sound strained, as if you can hear the cone driver straining to reproduce the sounds, whereas with electrostats the sound is just there, magically existing effortlessly, as if a miniature version of the band was sitting there playing the instruments for you. Ultimately you get a smoothness and accuracy that probably not even the best dynamics in the world can compete with. I agree with you, they really aren't prohibitively expensive. I'm planning on eventually getting the SR-407 / SRM-252S setup. Having demo'ed them I know they would be worth the $1100 they cost, at least to me. Its pricey but not too pricey for what you get IMO. Were the special electrostat amp not required, which is half the cost, they would be an absolute no-brainer and an even better value than the venerable DT880 and HD600.


Edited by devhen - 9/3/13 at 10:26am
post #4378 of 7922
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

Well, looking at your avatar, I bet I have an idea of what that "one headphone" may be.

 

Though I'm just wondering... how does the DT880 serve you? As an editing headphone or for relaxation? Because I'm sure you probably wouldn't want to use them for working out. Even though you could... tongue.gif

 

 

And since you took that picture... you'd know.

 

I normally wouldn't use an open HP for editing... unless it's very quiet in the room. And I would tend to use cans that are less bright for that purpose.

But the DT880's are great for just listening. For kicking back and getting into the music, into the detail.

 

And nah... IEM's only, for workout. Nothing else will do.  biggrin.gif

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Well I'd imagine that once you get into higher end models, He-500, T1 and the such those may be One for all and all for one headphones, but the Dt 880 does not to everything as well as I would like it to! 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Well I'd imagine that once you get into higher end models, He-500, T1 and the such those may be One for all and all for one headphones, but the Dt 880 does not to everything as well as I would like it to!

 

 

All true...

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