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post #4216 of 10436

When I took out the foam I expected to see an all white surface. Instead I see this:

 

 

 

Is it normal or put in there by a previous owner?

post #4217 of 10436
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Originally Posted by rigodeni View Post

I am considering the 880 premium (600ohm), but is my Fiio E12 enough to drive it? Anyone here try it?

Yes I have the E12 and 600 Ohm DT880.

The E12 has no problem driving those phones! biggrin.gif
post #4218 of 10436
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post

When I took out the foam I expected to see an all white surface. Instead I see this:

 

 

 

Is it normal or put in there by a previous owner?

It's normal - don't try to strip it or you'll expose the driver membrane.

post #4219 of 10436

Aaah, cheers fella.

post #4220 of 10436

It is normal for the DT880. The DT7770 and 990 do not have it. It is there to attenuate the treble, which is therefore slightly brighter on the other two models.

post #4221 of 10436
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Originally Posted by stv014 View Post

It is normal for the DT880. The DT7770 and 990 do not have it. It is there to attenuate the treble, which is therefore slightly brighter on the other two models.

Indeed, it's why the Dt 880 is still bright but not AS bright as the others

 

as far as pads go, the Beyers are really great as they are. If you want MORE bass out of your Beyer Dt 880 buy a Beyer Dt 990 xD [Same quality and clarity with the 990 having a more V shapped sound and a tad more sound stage] 

post #4222 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Yes I have the E12 and 600 Ohm DT880.

The E12 has no problem driving those phones! biggrin.gif

Great, thanks!

post #4223 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Indeed, it's why the Dt 880 is still bright but not AS bright as the others

 

as far as pads go, the Beyers are really great as they are. If you want MORE bass out of your Beyer Dt 880 buy a Beyer Dt 990 xD [Same quality and clarity with the 990 having a more V shapped sound and a tad more sound stage] 

 

 

I'd say you get even more clarity and overall sound quality with DT990 than DT880.  To me, DT880 600 sound a bit congested, closed in and lacking definition, like they're almost muddy in comparison.

post #4224 of 10436
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

I'd say you get even more clarity and overall sound quality with DT990 than DT880.  To me, DT880 600 sound a bit congested, closed in and lacking definition, like they're almost muddy in comparison.

It might be your sources and your amping. I never felt that with the Dt 880 and 990 pro 250 versions. I enjoyed both out of my Solid State Amps. I will admit with a warm source the 880 get's a little congested, but with PLENTY of power and a cleaner leaner source and amp I really loved the Dt 880, still I will see when I get it. Although I do agree on the increased clarity of the 990 it has WAY to much bass, that bass alone muddies things up. Vocals particullary are WAY to thick and heavy some times with all the extra mid bass hump, in addition rock has too much bass as does a good bit of Classical Jazz

 

But I agree, the Dt 990 is wonderful for Classical ironically. Not so much for Orechestral and Electronica Orchestrals. 

 

I'll have a review for them soon, but I'd think the congestion might be due to your amping. A poorly amped dt 880 can sound pretty icky! 

 

But on the power issue, I've got a NFB 10ES2 in the NEAR future, not to mention that Dac is a nice one 

 

STILL I'll give you my review when I have both in my hands <3 I shall let you know! 

 

Although, I found that the w1000x competed fairly nice to the Dt 990 in terms of clarity [ a closed can mind you] yes the dt 990 had more clarity overall, but both had nice detail retrevial and both where sonically beautiful. Not to mention my Dt 880 and w1000x where like twins, each had a great sound that complimented each other. So based on how much I enjoy both my dt 990 and current w1000x [which has been heavyily modded to sound more like the 880] I still feel the 880 will hold it's own within my collection 


Edited by Mshenay - 8/27/13 at 11:37am
post #4225 of 10436
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

A well constructed amp with enough power (in this case 100 mW into 600 ohm load) should not and will not distort with the DT880's, unless the amp maker is posting false specs.  I'm not surprised that a DT880 sounds better out of better amps, never said it wont, but thats not just because those amps have more power, its because they simply sound better.  An amp can have 2 watts output into  a headphone jack, that wont make it sound better than the one with 100 mW's, unless its technically better and simply put sounds better.

 

O2 would be enough if it could deliver 100 mW and about 8V of current into a 600 ohm load, which it cant. But the reason why other amps sound better, is because they are better amps, not just because they can output more power or current. Once you hit the ceiling in terms of powering the headphones, going over that makes no sense, you can only get an amp that simply sounds better because it has better components and is better designed.  

 

All amps have some amount of distortion or jitter... It's just the nature of electrical appliances.

 

Whether that distortion/jitter is audible is an entirely different story.

 

However, specs don't necessarily tell you everything. You'll only know how an amp performs by actually listening to it.

 

Just like a good chef tastes his food every single time and makes sure the taste is just right. He can measure the amount of stuffs he puts in, and times how long he lets those things cook, and be super meticulous about other environmental impacts, etc... but at the end of the day, those things can only do so much to the food, right?

 

I agree that power doesn't necessarily help make an amp sounds better. But it's equally important that the amp can supply the power it claims that it can. More often than not, I have found that to not be the case. It's especially true with portable amps running on batteries. And unfortunately, the O2 "can" be classed as one of those amps that run on batteries.

 

On the flip side, I have heard battery-powered amps that sound unbelievably good (and now I own one), but those are more the exception than the norm.

 

Anyway, this just goes back to the original question, which was whether or not the JDS Labs C421 can power the DT880 600, hence why I mentioned battery-powered amps. It's not a reflection of all amps in general. redface.gif


Edited by Bill-P - 8/27/13 at 11:44am
post #4226 of 10436

Its hard to know everyone's situation but I think maybe a lot of these people asking if a particular amp can power the 600 ohm 880s should actually just being using the 250 ohm, or even 32 ohm, version of the 880s. I think people get the impression that the 600 ohm version is superior and then try to base their plans around that when the lower ohm versions would actually fit their application better and sound just as good, maybe even better. For example, my iBasso D-Zero can drive my 600 ohm 770s, sure, but I don't recommend the combo. The D-Zero has distortion on high gain when the volume is maxed out which is exactly where you need to be with the 600 ohm Beyers. If you're listening to uncompressed or quietly recorded music its even worse and often times you just can't get adequate volume. However, my 250 ohm Beyers work quite well with the D-Zero. While high gain is still required, you rarely if ever venture into distortion territory. With the 32 ohm version you probably wouldn't even need the high gain setting so distortion would never be an issue even at super high volumes, which is the case with the D-Zero and my 80 ohm DT1350.

post #4227 of 10436
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

Its hard to know everyone's situation but I think maybe a lot of these people asking if a particular amp can power the 600 ohm 880s should actually just being using the 250 ohm, or even 32 ohm, version of the 880s. I think people get the impression that the 600 ohm version is superior and then try to base their plans around that when the lower ohm versions would actually fit their application better and sound just as good, maybe even better. For example, my iBasso D-Zero can drive my 600 ohm 770s, sure, but I don't recommend the combo. The D-Zero has distortion on high gain when the volume is maxed out which is exactly where you need to be with the 600 ohm Beyers. If you're listening to uncompressed or quietly recorded music its even worse and often times you just can't get adequate volume. However, my 250 ohm Beyers work quite well with the D-Zero. While high gain is still required, you rarely if ever venture into distortion territory. With the 32 ohm version you probably wouldn't even need the high gain setting so distortion would never be an issue even at super high volumes, which is the case with the D-Zero and my 80 ohm DT1350.

I had the DT 880 Pro 250, I loved it. And the Dt 880 Pre 600 ohm I got was used at the same price I paid for my 250 new. I want to upgrade, and I don't think the 600 ohm is better, it should be a tad more refined but I'll hear it and know when I hear it. I LOVED the dt 880 pro 250. EVERY can I own has some aspect of it [seeing as I sold my Dt 880 to pay rent] but still a balanced recabled 600 pre should at least sound just as nice as my old Dt 880 pro did [and I might get the Pro again some day <3 for poartable use]

 

Until then I'm happy with using my 600 out of my Matrix, but I do recommend that any one going portable uses the Pro 250 version. It Sounds wonderful! 

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Edited by canaduck - 8/27/13 at 12:40pm
post #4229 of 10436
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Originally Posted by rigodeni View Post

I am considering the 880 premium (600ohm), but is my Fiio E12 enough to drive it? Anyone here try it?

 

I can't say for sure having never tried the E12, but my recently purchased Fiio E10 provides plenty of power for my DT880's (600 ohm). According to the specs, the E12 has more output power than the E10 -- 880mW vs 150mW into 32 ohms, respectively -- so I think you should be fine.

 

This is my first dac/amp, and I'm finding the sound to be a huge improvement compared to the dull sound coming directly from my multimedia laptop. In comparison, the laptop's onboard audio made the sound seem dampened when listening to classical, jazz and rock. The improvement was far more dramatic than I expected as I was somewhat skeptical of the difference between modern onboard sound and external amps.

post #4230 of 10436

wow 880 into 32ohms sheesh... how much into 300 ohms? 

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