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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

It doesn't matter whether you're listening to classical with high dynamic range or something from the loudness war era. 114 db is still 114 db, regardless of whether you have to turn your amps volume pot to 40% or 80%.  Whether its constantly that loud, which would be horribly loud to listen to, or only in a few passages, its still as loud as that headphone will safely go, few db up or down. Putting considerably more power into them won't do anything else than damage the drivers.  114 db at peaks is too loud even for listening to live classical recordings with a very high dynamic range. Even if most of the stuff you hear is at 90-95 db, which is already loud, 114 db peaks would be very uncomfortable.

 

I don't think I've ever heard my DT880 distort, but I never felt it wasnt loud enough. In fact, I gave up before it did during the "lets see how loud this Infected Mushroom song will play" challenge, which cannot be said for the HD650's for example, which start distorting pretty quickly, actually disappointingly quickly. Even plugged into a cheap speaker amp headphone output, there's plenty of power and current to keep DT880's (600) satisfied up to I assume as loud as they can possibly play.

 

Yeah, but it does matter if you have to turn your volume pot to 80% because the music is not loud enough. I have heard a lot of amplifiers distort at 80% mark on the volume pot.

 

And you probably would be surprised, but a good amplifier does make the DT880 sound better. I have heard the DT880 600 now out of almost anything from O2 to vintage amplifier to just recently out of ALO Studio Six. It almost makes me question whether the DT880 600 was distorting with the lower-end amps at the volume I set them at. Now... scientifically, with calculations and measurements, you can claim that the O2 should be enough for most people. But my listening experience doesn't reflect that at all.

 

HD650, on the other hand, I haven't had much chance to play around with. DT880 made me realize how much of a midrange-head I was, and I jumped straight to Audio Technica offerings at around that time.


Edited by Bill-P - 8/24/13 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

Well, I dont want to come of as a know it all, its nothing against you personally, I'm just teasing you lol,  its against your countries education system. I'm not saying people should know hundreds of formulas, but without being familiar with even the basic concepts, which these are,  you couldn't go trough highschool where I come from, let alone get into a tech related collage. I had to know physics in MUCH greater detail than this in order to get into med school, and 95% of that stuff I'll never need in my career, but comes handy in a lot of situations.

 

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

Yeah, but it does matter if you have to turn your volume pot to 80% because the music is not loud enough. I have heard a lot of amplifiers distort at 80% mark on the volume pot.

 

And you probably would be surprised, but a good amplifier does make the DT880 sound better. I have heard the DT880 600 now out of almost anything from O2 to vintage amplifier to just recently out of ALO Studio Six. It almost makes me question whether the DT880 600 was distorting with the lower-end amps at the volume I set them at. Now... scientifically, with calculations and measurements, you can claim that the O2 should be enough for most people. But my listening experience doesn't reflect that at all.

 

HD650, on the other hand, I haven't had much chance to play around with. DT880 made me realize how much of a midrange-head I was, and I jumped straight to Audio Technica offerings at around that time.

Ofc, the Dt 880 sound SO much better on my Matrix than it did on my [R.I.P] Millet Hybrid Tube, it was almost 2 fold! That being said, the I had the 250 ohm variant, and the Dt 880 600 ohm pairs nice with the Matrix as well, many Matrix owners enjoy the 880 600 with the Matrix, how ever though. The Audio GD I'm gettin in september will drive them to a good volume WAY under 80%

 

Still totally excited about getting mine back :D

 

In addition guys, I too enjoy mids [hence is why I enjoy the w1000x Dt 880 combo] that being said I'm getting a ATH AD900x OR AD1000X to review FROM audio technica! Look forward to my impressions. 

post #4203 of 8073
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

Yeah, but it does matter if you have to turn your volume pot to 80% because the music is not loud enough. I have heard a lot of amplifiers distort at 80% mark on the volume pot.

 

And you probably would be surprised, but a good amplifier does make the DT880 sound better. I have heard the DT880 600 now out of almost anything from O2 to vintage amplifier to just recently out of ALO Studio Six. It almost makes me question whether the DT880 600 was distorting with the lower-end amps at the volume I set them at. Now... scientifically, with calculations and measurements, you can claim that the O2 should be enough for most people. But my listening experience doesn't reflect that at all.

 

HD650, on the other hand, I haven't had much chance to play around with. DT880 made me realize how much of a midrange-head I was, and I jumped straight to Audio Technica offerings at around that time.

 

 

A well constructed amp with enough power (in this case 100 mW into 600 ohm load) should not and will not distort with the DT880's, unless the amp maker is posting false specs.  I'm not surprised that a DT880 sounds better out of better amps, never said it wont, but thats not just because those amps have more power, its because they simply sound better.  An amp can have 2 watts output into  a headphone jack, that wont make it sound better than the one with 100 mW's, unless its technically better and simply put sounds better.

 

O2 would be enough if it could deliver 100 mW and about 8V of current into a 600 ohm load, which it cant. But the reason why other amps sound better, is because they are better amps, not just because they can output more power or current. Once you hit the ceiling in terms of powering the headphones, going over that makes no sense, you can only get an amp that simply sounds better because it has better components and is better designed.  

post #4204 of 8073
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

A well constructed amp with enough power (in this case 100 mW into 600 ohm load) should not and will not distort with the DT880's, unless the amp maker is posting false specs.  I'm not surprised that a DT880 sounds better out of better amps, never said it wont, but thats not just because those amps have more power, its because they simply sound better.  An amp can have 2 watts output into  a headphone jack, that wont make it sound better than the one with 100 mW's, unless its technically better and simply put sounds better.

 

O2 would be enough if it could deliver 100 mW and about 8V of current into a 600 ohm load, which it cant. But the reason why other amps sound better, is because they are better amps, not just because they can output more power or current. Once you hit the ceiling in terms of powering the headphones, going over that makes no sense, you can only get an amp that simply sounds better because it has better components and is better designed.  

That said, I am still confident in Audio GD's quality. Kingwa has always been well reviewed and is know to be OCD with quality. All the reviews of him and his amp are top notch. And customer service wise he answers my questions immediatly.

 

Moving on from my own questions I do agree, my old [Rip] Millet was a poorly built amp, sounded sufficently nice but poorly built. She could power my dt 880 250s but should not have been honestly lol

 

But good quality components make a differance, it's a shame that in reality the O2 can't power a 600 ohm can as well as it claims it can 

 

and gawd, I love my w1000x. I have the Dt 880 to thank for that actually,

 

Im hoping the new balanced 600 ohm will sound better than what I remember the dt 880 pro sounding xD. Since I USED to use both  my w1000x and my Dt 880 out of the same crummy amp [rip] millet. The switch to Matrix M cleaned the w1000x up alot, not to mention the mod helped as well... still confident the new Beyer will only sound better than the old, and my Mid Fi end game core will be complete! 


Edited by Mshenay - 8/24/13 at 11:06am
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I just recently picked up the 600 ohm version of the 880 used on eBay for $173. I replaced the ear pads with the current 990/880 black velour pads. The new pads opened up the sound a little bit more, and looks 10 times better than the white shadowy pads that always look dirty.

I drive them with my Oppo 83SE CD player going thru an excellent Morrow Audio RCA digital cable to the Schiit Bifrost/Uber and Lyr with Amperex Orange made in Holland (I also have the Amperex made in Germany... not as good with this combo). The 880 cable is stock.

I have had a bunch of phones including 3 of the HiFiman orthos, and I'm telling you... this combo is really singing sweet! Very dynamic and broad soundstage with outstanding mids that have just the right texture. The highs are excellent and provide excellent transparency. The bass is very well defined and just right for me.

This is some of the best over the ear sound I've heard. What a steal on the headphones at the price I paid... and adding in $40 for the pads.

post #4206 of 8073

^ It's amazing how rarely people consider how the pads might contribute to the sound, even though they're a large portion of the sonic coupling system and can change significantly in dimensions (e.g. many pads, particularly velours, compress as they age).

 

I would argue that, aside from the obvious psychological burn-in, pads breaking in probably accounts for a large part of the improvement people report as they use a pair of headphones for a while. Better seal + driver moving closer to the ear = more present lower end, which is usually what listeners say got better with use.

 

Conversely, in your case, a more "open" sound might be a result of the new, non-compressed pads placing distance between the drivers and your eardrum, easing off the lower end of the spectrum a bit and improving perceived treble extension.

 

Just for fun, try listening to the DT880 with no pads at all. Almost no treble or bass. It bears virtually no resemblance to how they sound with their pads installed. That just goes to show how important the pads are to the acoustic coupling.

post #4207 of 8073
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post

I just recently picked up the 600 ohm version of the 880 used on eBay for $173. I replaced the ear pads with the current 990/880 black velour pads. The new pads opened up the sound a little bit more, and looks 10 times better than the white shadowy pads that always look dirty.

I drive them with my Oppo 83SE CD player going thru an excellent Morrow Audio RCA digital cable to the Schiit Bifrost/Uber and Lyr with Amperex Orange made in Holland (I also have the Amperex made in Germany... not as good with this combo). The 880 cable is stock.

I have had a bunch of phones including 3 of the HiFiman orthos, and I'm telling you... this combo is really singing sweet! Very dynamic and broad soundstage with outstanding mids that have just the right texture. The highs are excellent and provide excellent transparency. The bass is very well defined and just right for me.

This is some of the best over the ear sound I've heard. What a steal on the headphones at the price I paid... and adding in $40 for the pads.

You think you got a deal, I got a used Preimum 600 ohm with a Zombi_V recable and Balanced Retermination for the same you just paid! That recable and retermination alone cost about $170 :3, you are allowed to hate me

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

^ It's amazing how rarely people consider how the pads might contribute to the sound, even though they're a large portion of the sonic coupling system and can change significantly in dimensions (e.g. many pads, particularly velours, compress as they age).

 

I would argue that, aside from the obvious psychological burn-in, pads breaking in probably accounts for a large part of the improvement people report as they use a pair of headphones for a while. Better seal + driver moving closer to the ear = more present lower end, which is usually what listeners say got better with use.

 

Conversely, in your case, a more "open" sound might be a result of the new, non-compressed pads placing distance between the drivers and your eardrum, easing off the lower end of the spectrum a bit and improving perceived treble extension.

 

Just for fun, try listening to the DT880 with no pads at all. Almost no treble or bass. It bears virtually no resemblance to how they sound with their pads installed. That just goes to show how important the pads are to the acoustic coupling.

Exactly, your might be right about that actually! I do hope the Premium Beyers have the bass of the Pro verisions q.q. They should actually, the driver is shown to have a little bigger mid bass hump so it should be fine.

 

That said I do like those shadowy pads mind you :[ they are FILLED the the SOUL of my ear sweat :D [jk I don't sweat with velours]

 

Going on about pads, the w1000x really improves sound wise with the L3000 pads, not sure how the J$Money pads would change the sound, maybe a bit more sound stage at the expense of some intamicy in the mids... either way REAL leather and Velour have a nice sound! 

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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

A well constructed amp with enough power (in this case 100 mW into 600 ohm load) should not and will not distort with the DT880's, unless the amp maker is posting false specs.  I'm not surprised that a DT880 sounds better out of better amps, never said it wont, but thats not just because those amps have more power, its because they simply sound better.  An amp can have 2 watts output into  a headphone jack, that wont make it sound better than the one with 100 mW's, unless its technically better and simply put sounds better.

 

O2 would be enough if it could deliver 100 mW and about 8V of current into a 600 ohm load, which it cant. But the reason why other amps sound better, is because they are better amps, not just because they can output more power or current. Once you hit the ceiling in terms of powering the headphones, going over that makes no sense, you can only get an amp that simply sounds better because it has better components and is better designed.  

 

You don't need to ouput 100mW , or 8v into DT-880-600 ohms to make it sound good . When i tried DT-880-600 ohms pluged into O² it sounded very Good imo . Peraphs Bill P , was using incorrect gain setting with  O² , the standard gains are 2.5/6.5x , with 6.5x if the source is at 2.0v standard redbook it will distord .


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 8/25/13 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

A well constructed amp with enough power (in this case 100 mW into 600 ohm load) should not and will not distort with the DT880's, unless the amp maker is posting false specs.  I'm not surprised that a DT880 sounds better out of better amps, never said it wont, but thats not just because those amps have more power, its because they simply sound better.  An amp can have 2 watts output into  a headphone jack, that wont make it sound better than the one with 100 mW's, unless its technically better and simply put sounds better.

 

O2 would be enough if it could deliver 100 mW and about 8V of current into a 600 ohm load, which it cant. But the reason why other amps sound better, is because they are better amps, not just because they can output more power or current. Once you hit the ceiling in terms of powering the headphones, going over that makes no sense, you can only get an amp that simply sounds better because it has better components and is better designed.  

 

You don't need to ouput 100mW , or 8v into DT-880-600 ohms to make it sound good .

 

Are you going to tell me that I don't need 2 150W monoblocks to power the HE-6s next?

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Are you going to tell me that I don't need 2 150W monoblocks to power the HE-6s next?

 

No for HE-6 you need a nuclear power plant to use them properly redface.gif

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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

No for HE-6 you need a nuclear power plant to use them properly redface.gif

And you need unlimited current to drive AKG K701. tongue.gif
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And a K1000--you're going to need a convenient Big Bang to generate enough power to run that bad boy.

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

And a K1000--you're going to need a convenient Big Bang to generate enough power to run that bad boy.

lol

post #4214 of 8073

I am considering the 880 premium (600ohm), but is my Fiio E12 enough to drive it? Anyone here try it?

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

^ It's amazing how rarely people consider how the pads might contribute to the sound, even though they're a large portion of the sonic coupling system and can change significantly in dimensions (e.g. many pads, particularly velours, compress as they age).

 

I would argue that, aside from the obvious psychological burn-in, pads breaking in probably accounts for a large part of the improvement people report as they use a pair of headphones for a while. Better seal + driver moving closer to the ear = more present lower end, which is usually what listeners say got better with use.

 

Conversely, in your case, a more "open" sound might be a result of the new, non-compressed pads placing distance between the drivers and your eardrum, easing off the lower end of the spectrum a bit and improving perceived treble extension.

 

Just for fun, try listening to the DT880 with no pads at all. Almost no treble or bass. It bears virtually no resemblance to how they sound with their pads installed. That just goes to show how important the pads are to the acoustic coupling.

 

Informative! I'm starting to repeat myself but I experienced it first hand when I slapped on some JMoney pads. Just wow! When listening to 4/4 house beats the lows sometimes get boomy and unattractive though but on some other records including rap music it's really much nicer than stock pads. Are there any other pads out there aside from BD replacements that give more low but not as much as the JMoneys?

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