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post #3721 of 7857

Okay, let me try to sort through this. If I've made any errors, please feel free to point them out. I've tried many times to sort out how the Beyer lineups work, and I definitely wouldn't be surprised if I've gotten something wrong.

 

The DT990 Pro, last I looked, uses the black plastic grill, similar to its original appearance since it was introduced in 1985. The DT770 Pro, similarly, resembles its classic 1985 appearance. Neither resembles their Premium counterparts, which contain more metal in their construction (though, of course, the Premium DT770 is no longer in production).

 

The DT880 Pro looks very similar to the DT880 Premium, however. This is likely because, unlike the other two, the DT880 of today is not a continuation of its historic counterpart, which was released in 1980 and discontinued and replaced by the DT990 in 1985. The modern DT880 is a reboot, first released in 2003 in order to create a more neutral headphone to recall the basic tonality of the original DT880. The original (1980) DT880 looked kind of similar to the original DT990, except it had a metal vents instead of plastic, which they probably figured wasn't visually distinct enough.

 

In 2005, Beyer revamped the aesthetics of all the Premium models, offered them all in three different impedances, and established the Pro/Premium dichotomy for all three lines. Before that, I don't believe there was a DT880 Pro based on the 2003 model. I'm not entirely sure that prior to 2005 the DT990 and DT770 existed as distinct Pro and Premium models, either, though here I could be mistaken.

 

Somewhere along the line a special 80 ohm version of the DT770 was made exclusively for Guitar Center, and if I remember correctly it resembles the DT770 Pro aesthetics. So there's yet another model out there.

 

Isn't this confusing?!

post #3722 of 7857

thanks for the responses...... can of worms i may have opened :)

post #3723 of 7857

No worries. Part of being a Beyer fan is trying to sort through the 1,489,253 different versions of each headphone they manage to produce. tongue.gif

post #3724 of 7857
Definitely not a can of worms just the same questions that come up from time to time. Nice to find some solid answers though.
post #3725 of 7857

Actually I was referring only to the DT880, and nothing in Beyer's description (which is rather vague in any case) suggests that the Premium uses better (as opposed to different) materials than the Pro. Certainly not metal as opposed to plastic.

 

Both are extremely well built.

post #3726 of 7857
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Actually I was referring only to the DT880, and nothing in Beyer's description (which is rather vague in any case) suggests that the Premium uses better (as opposed to different) materials than the Pro. Certainly not metal as opposed to plastic.

 

Both are extremely well built.

 

Yep - difference mainly headband (and metal tabs), coiled cable and clamp force.  Materials in the DT880 very similar between Pro & Premium.

post #3727 of 7857

Hi guys, I'm using my new DT880 for something like 3 days now and I don't get this WoW feeling when I listen to them (Maybe just in few songs).

I listen only to FLAC so the source files are OK quality wise.

My sound card is Realtek ALC898 (onboard), It's connected to my A/V receiver and then the 880's.

With my receiver a volume between -25db and -40dB is pretty loud and good for regular listening, So I think the amplification is fine. Am I wrong?

So how can I make them sound amazing? A DAC will make such a difference?

BTW, I compare them against UE TF10's when I'm talking about their SQ.

post #3728 of 7857
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Originally Posted by Vidmaven View Post

Yea I didn't say it, I was summarizing what was stated in the threads for those who chose not to read them.

I have owned the DT770 pro 250ohm and the DT880 pro 250ohm and I currently own the same in the premium versions. All of the premium models use metal where the pros use plastic not just the 990. I do consider that better materials.

 

Yeah you'll need to clarify this. Where do the Premium 770 & 880 use metal where the Pro uses plastic? If you're talking about the metal clips on the headband-- those serve no purpose and are 100% cosmetic. Other than that the Pro versions use metal in the exact same places that the Premium models use metal.

 

Its misleading to newcomers to say that the Premium Beyerdynamic models are made of better materials than the Pro models. In fact, in your subsequent post you contradicted yourself by quoting Beyerdynamic who said the Pro versions are actually the ones that use better materials in order to survive harsh studio conditions but that seems only to be in reference the Pro's tighter clamping force and leather headband.

 

The two versions are essentially identical in regards to materials used. Clamping force, colors & apprearance, and coiled vs. straight cable are the only difference.

 

Edit-- It looks like you might be referring to the metal ring around the cups on the 770 Premium, which the 770 Pro doesn't have. However that doesn't apply to the 880s-- both the Pro and Premium have the metal ring.


Edited by devhen - 6/29/13 at 1:00am
post #3729 of 7857
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

Beyer seems to like to start off with a base model and then offer slightly tweaked versions targeted at specific usage scenarios (e.g. differing impedance versions, Pro vs. Premium, etc). They also reuse a lot of their design elements across product lines. If I had to guess, I'd say the price difference between Premium and Pro DTxx0 models comes down to Beyer taking this strategy one step further and targeting different market segments entirely. Following this idea through, maybe in order to compete they need to hit a lower price point in the pro segment than in the consumer segment. Normally, companies will either maintain separate pro and consumer lines, or else simply market the same products toward both. Beyer seems to be trying to combine the two strategies by treating the segments differently (by offering tweaked, optimized products to each with differing price points) but starting with the same basic models. Notice that, aside from wholesalers like Amazon, sellers often carry either the Premium line or the Pro line, but not both.

 

Or, they're just trying to make a few extra bucks off consumers. Wouldn't be the first company in the world with that motivation. wink.gif

 

Good point. The price difference between the Pro and Premium models is likely based on nothing more than the fact that they are aimed at different market segments. Also, the fact that the Pro models are sold in such a large number of audio shops throughout the world probably means you've got a better chance of finding sellers offering them below list price.

post #3730 of 7857
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Originally Posted by LiranV View Post

Hi guys, I'm using my new DT880 for something like 3 days now and I don't get this WoW feeling when I listen to them (Maybe just in few songs).
I listen only to FLAC so the source files are OK quality wise.
My sound card is Realtek ALC898 (onboard), It's connected to my A/V receiver and then the 880's.
With my receiver a volume between -25db and -40dB is pretty loud and good for regular listening, So I think the amplification is fine. Am I wrong?
So how can I make them sound amazing? A DAC will make such a difference?
BTW, I compare them against UE TF10's when I'm talking about their SQ.

What are you comparing them with? Your PX100s? They should sound very very different to those, so maybe you still need time to adjust to the new sound signature. The bass presentation in particular will be seriously different to what you're used to with the PX100s, and they may seem bass-shy at first, in comparison. They're really not though wink.gif

Alternatively, it maybe that the headphone out on your receiver can't drive them properly. The volume may be fine, but maybe it can't deal with the voltage the 600ohm 880s require, which will lead to clipping/distortion. I have the same problem with my separates amp.
post #3731 of 7857
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Originally Posted by LiranV View Post

Hi guys, I'm using my new DT880 for something like 3 days now and I don't get this WoW feeling when I listen to them (Maybe just in few songs).

I listen only to FLAC so the source files are OK quality wise.

My sound card is Realtek ALC898 (onboard), It's connected to my A/V receiver and then the 880's.

With my receiver a volume between -25db and -40dB is pretty loud and good for regular listening, So I think the amplification is fine. Am I wrong?

So how can I make them sound amazing? A DAC will make such a difference?

BTW, I compare them against UE TF10's when I'm talking about their SQ.

 

As has been suggested earlier, this might be a case of getting used to the signature. The DT880s strengths, IMO, are in its range and its general lack of coloration (apart from a bit of extra sizzle in the lower treble). It never steps out and calls attention to itself, instead offering a transparent window into the music. In other words, it's not exactly what one might call an "exciting" sound signature.

 

Give it some time. Neutral sound signatures often seem to lack the "wow" factor at first. This is because listeners tend to be used to the sonic flavor of their previous equipment. After a while listening to the DT880, you might find that your TF10 sounds surprisingly unnatural and colored.

 

Or, ultimately you might not end up liking the DT880's signature, at which point I'd say pack them up while you've still got time and try something else. Unless the equipment is woefully underpowered and/or just plain awful (in your case I'd say this probably isn't so), any improvement you'll hear from a new DAC or a dedicated amp is going to be in things like refinement, a lower noise floor, and in unlocking that last bit of potential. It's not going to fundamentally change the sound. Building a good system can certainly be rewarding, but not if you don't like the headphone. smile.gif

 

At this point I'd just keep listening and see where you are after a week or so.

 

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post #3732 of 7857
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

No worries. Part of being a Beyer fan is trying to sort through the 1,489,253 different versions of each headphone they manage to produce. tongue.gif

 

At this stage I'm not even sure you're exaggerating. biggrin.gif

post #3733 of 7857
Ok it's time to pull the trigger on the tube amp for the DT880 Pro's...
Not much in the FS forums so eBay it is.
I have chosen the Little Dot MK IV.

The original La Figaro site has expired so the only way to get a 336c is from unauthorized sellers on eBay.

They also have Darkvoice 336se's up on eBay as well.

All three are within my price range, so I am looking for any opinions on the choice of the LD over the other two before I make the purchase.

Thanks!
post #3734 of 7857
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

Ok it's time to pull the trigger on the tube amp for the DT880 Pro's...
Not much in the FS forums so eBay it is.
I have chosen the Little Dot MK IV.

The original La Figaro site has expired so the only way to get a 336c is from unauthorized sellers on eBay.

They also have Darkvoice 336se's up on eBay as well.

All three are within my price range, so I am looking for any opinions on the choice of the LD over the other two before I make the purchase.

Thanks!


Give me a few hours to find the original receipt for my 336C and I can tell you where Ibought it from.
post #3735 of 7857
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Give me a few hours to find the original receipt for my 336C and I can tell you where Ibought it from.


NP Thanks Chris!

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