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post #3631 of 10436
For my personal preference, dt880s > hd600.
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Could you elaborate on that a little bit?

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Originally Posted by mink42 View Post

How are the 880's comparing to your HD600's? My local store has a senn sale on and can get the 600ohm 880's for the same price as the HD600's. Ends tommorow and don't know what to do eek haha
I like hd600 better. Better balance, better transparency and nicer tone.
Edited by bracko - 6/22/13 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

 

+2. Great all-arounders. I agree with both of you, I think they're good for electronic as well as acoustic & classical. I'm listening to them now and just a few minutes ago I was thinking about how there's no clear set genre that I like best with my 880s. With my other headphones there are certain genres/instruments/etc that they do best and when the right music comes on I always think to grab them. The 880 probably ends up with slightly less head time than they might otherwise because there's no particular genre that reminds me to put them on. When I do use them though, which is very often, they definitely do everything quite well. Probably even more of an all-arounder than my HD600s which are also good for pretty much anything IMO.

 

All of which indicates true neutrality, one of the characteristics of which is lack of enhancement; hence the complaints of boredom and sterility. Of course, if you want to own 3 or 4 headphones, having one for each particular genre is just fine, but if you want just one headphone (me!) the 880 is a terrific choice, even if it enhances nothing. After all, enhancement isn't really the name of the game and is a bit of a slippery slope anyway. At the end of the day, when you've finished playing around juggling various flavoursome headphones, you'll start searching for a headphone for all seasons--that's if you're serious about hearing your music as it was recorded. Of course, that's not everyone's goal.   

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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

All of which indicates true neutrality, one of the characteristics of which is lack of enhancement; hence the complaints of boredom and sterility. Of course, if you want to own 3 or 4 headphones, having one for each particular genre is just fine, but if you want just one headphone (me!) the 880 is a terrific choice, even if it enhances nothing. After all, enhancement isn't really the name of the game and is a bit of a slippery slope anyway. At the end of the day, when you've finished playing around juggling various flavoursome headphones, you'll start searching for a headphone for all seasons--that's if you're serious about hearing your music as it was recorded. Of course, that's not everyone's goal.   

But then the question arises: how can there be true neutrality if both the HD600 and the DT880 claim to be neutral but the frequency response (especially the treble is much higher when you compare the graphs) is so different The question then becomes: what is neutral? Is the DT880 neutral or is the HD600 neutral? Or is neutrality to be as close to the 0 dB baseline as you can be for all frequencies? 


Edited by samthegreat4 - 6/22/13 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by mink42 View Post

Could you elaborate on that a little bit?
For me, it's a few things. I like the speed, tonality, and treble. I found my ears prefer a colder, almost analytical tone. Bass is a compromise. I like the impact of the hd600 more but it sounds one noted. I find 880s to be a little more detailed in that aspect.
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I think it's as close to flat across the spectrum.
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I think it's as close to flat across the spectrum.

Hm, yes. So how can one of these 2 headphones be truly neutral is they both have a different frequency response? blink.gif

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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

I think it's as close to flat across the spectrum.

Hm, yes. So how can one of these 2 headphones be truly neutral is they both have a different frequency response? blink.gif

 

Neither are truly neutral, the 880 has slightly emphasized treble and the 600 has a slight treble roll-off. True neutrality would be somewhere in between, naturally.

post #3640 of 10436
Neither are truly neutral. They're close to neutral. Hps aren't designed exclusively around specs. Engineers tune them by ear after and adjust so each one has a different definition of neutral.Etys are considered flat and neutral but not everyone likes that signature.It's a fight between art and science, they can mingle but not quite fuse fully.
Edited by MrEleventy - 6/22/13 at 7:02am
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Been listening a fair bit to my DT-880 recently with a number of blues/rock tracks, I'm really liking the brighter edge the treble gives to Stevie Ray Vaughan, Rory Gallagher and the like. 

 

Anyway on topic, I prefer the DT-880 to the HD-600 personally, due the fact that I find the 600's a bit dull in the upper registers in comparison. I'm a sucker for gorgeous, extended and well defined treble and listen to a lot of acoustics and classical with a brighter phone (the 880 is a little brighter than neutral to me). Same victory for sound stage as the DT880 is bigger to my ears. I turn to other headphones over the 600 for other genres as well (own HE-500).

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Originally Posted by Leliana View Post

Been listening a fair bit to my DT-880 recently with a number of blues/rock tracks, I'm really liking the brighter edge the treble gives to Stevie Ray Vaughan, Rory Gallagher and the like. 

 

Anyway on topic, I prefer the DT-880 to the HD-600 personally, due the fact that I find the 600's a bit dull in the upper registers in comparison. I'm a sucker for gorgeous, extended and well defined treble and listen to a lot of acoustics and classical with a brighter phone (the 880 is a little brighter than neutral to me). Same victory for sound stage as the DT880 is bigger to my ears. I turn to other headphones over the 600 for other genres as well (own HE-500).

Hmm.. dammit. I find the HD600 absolutely wonderful for Jazz and Acoustic stuff because of its mellow, nice neutral kind of sound that lets you just sit back and enjoy. 

But in other applications, i.e: other music genres like (hard)rock, bluesrock, etc. or recording/playing instruments over the headphones it sounds a bit dull because of the lack of treble. Composing orchestral film/game scores I would call the main thing I do (besides listening to music and gaming). Would the DT 880 still be uncoloured enough in that respect (you know, the ''make it sound good on as many headphones as you can thing'')?

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Originally Posted by samthegreat4 View Post

Hm, yes. So how can one of these 2 headphones be truly neutral is they both have a different frequency response? blink.gif

 

People hear things differently because they have different ear structures...

 

If you want a truly neutral sound, the only thing you can do is make and tune a pair of headphones specifically for yourself.

 

Personally, I find both DT880 and HD600 to be far from neutral: both have bass that is way too polite; DT880 is too thin-sounding and it has with a shouty lower treble; HD600 is a bit too withdrawn with regards to bass and upper treble.

 

But DT880 with a cheap tube amp is much better than HD600 without a good high-end amp to me.

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View PostPersonally, I find both DT880 and HD600 to be far from neutral: both have bass that is way too polite; DT880 is too thin-sounding and it has with a shouty lower treble; HD600 is a bit too withdrawn with regards to bass and upper treble.

 

But DT880 with a cheap tube amp is much better than HD600 without a good high-end amp to me.

The real question is where the W1000X stands in all of this (OT I know). I see that quite a few W1000X owners have owned or still own the DT 880. Having purchased the DT 880 after the former, I was very impressed with its ostensible clarity and precision.

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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

The real question is where the W1000X stands in all of this (OT I know). I see that quite a few W1000X owners have owned or still own the DT 880. Having purchased the DT 880 after the former, I was very impressed with its ostensible clarity and precision.

 

Ah... well, if you're wondering, I actually think the W1000X to be almost my perfectly flat frequency response... after some amount of modding.

 

After a pad change, Purrin's mod (slightly overdone) and a few others of my own, sub-bass is slightly not up to par, and lower treble is still a bit too much, but everything else is much more even to my ears.

 

At stock, I think they sound a bit too mellow, too thick, too slow, and too closed-in.

 

I'm looking to obtain a pair of DT880 again (250 Ohm this time) to see how they'll do with my Little Dot 2++ now. I was driving the DT880 600 out of the O2, and... if I have to be polite, I really didn't like how it sounded in a lot of recordings. It only shone with very specific recordings.

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