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post #3541 of 10527

So, I'm back from the head-fi meet up! What I learned is... Remember when I said that a good amp would fix the soundstage, but nothing else? Reverse that. A good tube amp would fix everything else, but not soundstage. Turns out not a single headphone there could give me any depth like I was hoping for.  But, man, do those headphones sound good. Sadly, I can't afford a good tube amp frown.gif

 

Edit: I didn't actually get to listen to the DT880s, but I did learn what it sounds like to lack power. I listened to many other headphones, and I now know the sound qualities that happen when you underamp a headphone. I used a cheaper solid state amp with the Annies and they ended up sounding exactly like my DT880s! I had been convinced that amps didn't really get better over a certain power level (woo science) but I guess I misinterpreted that discussion XD

 

It turns out I really like the HD600s, because it manages to have all the qualities of my HD280s, but better.  I liked how they didn't show bass until you asked them to, then they exploded with bass when you wanted it to. I wish I had the DT880s to try out there, but I couldn't take them with me. I'm almost positive all I need is a good amp, though. They would be different sounding then my 280s, but definitely not in a bad way.

 

Oh, also, I listened to the HE90s. I like the HD800s way more o.O The HD800s are a ton like the DT880s, right? Agh, I want an amp so bad... Namely a tube amp. Because tube amps are the best.

 

Oh, I also listened to the Philips Fidelio X1, and those things had some crazy clarity. It was insane how clear they were. Or maybe the sample music was amazingly mastered, specifically for those headphones. I dunno.

 

Edit2: Coming home from these headphones back to my HD280s isn't the best experience :P


Edited by daleb - 6/9/13 at 4:46pm
post #3542 of 10527
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Its caused by a form of autism, so an audiologist won't help me out there :P

 

Anyways, I think I've realized its not that the DT880 doesn't have all the treble it claims to have, its just that it is very very polite in how its presented. It doesn't force it at all, its always very smooth. I'm used to really strong and aggressive feeling to the treble, and they don't have that. Makes me wonder how people can get fatigue from these...

How do you know a competent audiologist can't help you?

 

BTW, Grados are much more trebly than the 880.  I know.  I own both of them. Why don't you try some 325is?

post #3543 of 10527

Someday, I shall. BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I SHALL!

 

And, well, fine, I guess they might be able to help me, but its a mental condition, not a physical condition. Don't they specialize in physical aspects of the ear?

post #3544 of 10527

"Anyways, I think I've realized its not that the DT880 doesn't have all the treble it claims to have, its just that it is very very polite in how its presented. It doesn't force it at all, its always very smooth. I'm used to really strong and aggressive feeling to the treble, and they don't have that. Makes me wonder how people can get fatigue from these..."

 

I can understand how they find them a little bright, but once that treble peak is addressed (and it's extremely easy) the treble is indeed very smooth and clean. Indeed, with -2db setting on my treble tone control, I'm never aware of the treble at all; it sounds totally natural to me, perhaps more so than any headphone I've owned (and that includes LCD-2 Rev 1 and HD650). Quite an accomplishent.


Edited by pp312 - 6/9/13 at 9:35pm
post #3545 of 10527

They're definitely not the treble monsters their reputation makes them out to be. I was surprised the first time I tried my pair, having read negative accounts about the high end. It was only after hours of listening that I got a good read on their nature. Of course that was slightly exacerbated by my failing to realize at first that I could extend the earcups (a rather embarrassing oversight on my part), though if anything adjusting them properly just allowed the lower end to fill out a bit more.

 

As for the fatigue issue, in my case it's the spike between 5 and 6 kHz. It only causes a real issue on poorly recorded material and at moderately high volume, and it's easy enough to notch out with a parametric EQ.

 

Now if they could just make an IEM that sounds like them, I'd be very happy. I've read that Etys are supposed to be a good match.


Edited by Argyris - 6/9/13 at 11:13pm
post #3546 of 10527

The JH13s sound a bit like the DT 880s.

post #3547 of 10527

Hey guys, need some help here.

 

I have had my dt880's for 4 months now paired with my E11 and i feel its time for an upgrade.

 

I need some recommendations for the best amps for my DT880's (250ohm). Keep in mind i'm still a noob, don't throw gigantic words at me and expect me to understand please. I have read that tube amps are the best for them since they boost the midrange slightly and soften the highs (i dont have a problem with the treble on my 880's). If that is the case, can someone please explain to me what the difference is between regular/portable amps and tube amps? And if tube amps are really the best for the Dt880's, can you guys recommend some? My budget is up to $300 since my birthday is right around the corner. 

 

Thanks in advance..! :)

post #3548 of 10527
I find that the CKN70s are pretty similar, neutral with a emphasis on highs. There are differences, mids are a little more forward, highs aren't as good (aren't as smooth, artificial sounding when unamped, more sibilant) and tad less sub and mid bass.
post #3549 of 10527
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

Hey guys, need some help here.

 

I have had my dt880's for 4 months now paired with my E11 and i feel its time for an upgrade.

 

I need some recommendations for the best amps for my DT880's (250ohm). Keep in mind i'm still a noob, don't throw gigantic words at me and expect me to understand please. I have read that tube amps are the best for them since they boost the midrange slightly and soften the highs (i dont have a problem with the treble on my 880's). If that is the case, can someone please explain to me what the difference is between regular/portable amps and tube amps? And if tube amps are really the best for the Dt880's, can you guys recommend some? My budget is up to $300 since my birthday is right around the corner. 

 

Thanks in advance..! :)

 

You got that right, a nice tube amp slightly warms up the mids and slightly softens the highs. They weigh a fair amount, take up a bit more space and give off some heat. Hey dude, Try the La Figaro 336C. Fits in your budget, then after a few months, if you have a spare $60 you can get a pair of NOS tubes i.e. New Old Stock vintage tubes from the 50s or 60s. They really seemed to have made them better back then.
post #3550 of 10527
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

You got that right, a nice tube amp slightly warms up the mids and slightly softens the highs.They weigh a fair amount, take up a bit more space and give off some heat.Hey dude,Try the La Figaro 336C.Fits in your budget, then after a few months, if you have a spare $60 you can get a pair of NOS tubes i.e. New Old Stock vintage tubes from the 50s or 60s. They really seemed to have made them better back then.

 

Sorry for the noob questions, but how are tube amps powered? And what do i plug them into? Are they like an E11 where there's an input and output jack?

post #3551 of 10527
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

 

Sorry for the noob questions, but how are tube amps powered? And what do i plug them into? Are they like an E11 where there's an input and output jack?

Tube amps are normally not portable so they usually run on AC power and are plugged into an outlet. A lot of tube amps will have an analog out and analog in so you could connect it to a DAC, cd player, etc with a RCA cord or plug it into a computer, ipod, etc with a RCA to 3.5mm Y splitter cord. Some amps also have a line in jack on the front for connecting directly to ipod, computer, etc without having to use a splitter cord. 

post #3552 of 10527
Thanks guys, appreciate the help.

I was looking at a tube amp+DAC called Aune T1. Does anyone know how it pairs with the DT880s?
post #3553 of 10527
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

Thanks guys, appreciate the help.

I was looking at a tube amp+DAC called Aune T1. Does anyone know how it pairs with the DT880s?

 

I use to run an Aune T1 with my DT880 600 ohm and found its amp portion a bit too bright for my liking (and this is with the Amperex Orange globe tube, supposedly one of the smoothest and warmest laid back tubes for the T1).  I also had a Magni Modi and tried out the combo of the T1 Ampdac, T1dac with Magni amp, and Modi Dac with Magni Amp, and found that the Magni/Modi stack soundest the fullest and least harsh for me.  People do seem to love the T1, but I personally don't feel it's the best match for the DT880.

post #3554 of 10527
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Originally Posted by GaryPham View Post

I use to run an Aune T1 with my DT880 600 ohm and found its amp portion a bit too bright for my liking (and this is with the Amperex Orange globe tube, supposedly one of the smoothest and warmest laid back tubes for the T1).  I also had a Magni Modi and tried out the combo of the T1 Ampdac, T1dac with Magni amp, and Modi Dac with Magni Amp, and found that the Magni/Modi stack soundest the fullest and least harsh for me.  People do seem to love the T1, but I personally don't feel it's the best match for the DT880.

My findings were similar. SS amp on the T1 is bright and doesn't pair well. I think the Magni doesn't pair well for the same reason as that it's a slightly bright amp as well. It worked out great when I had it setup : T1(Dac, Orange Globe tube) line out >> Objective2. The highs sparkled and weren't even close to being sibilant, mids were warm and slightly forward a bit. Bass hit perfectly for me, had impact and quantity was there if the song called for it. This is of course all YMMV since we all hear differently but it worked out great to my ears. I still run the T1 as the dac but upgraded to a Darkvoice 336 as an amp.
post #3555 of 10527
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Originally Posted by GaryPham View Post

 

I use to run an Aune T1 with my DT880 600 ohm and found its amp portion a bit too bright for my liking (and this is with the Amperex Orange globe tube, supposedly one of the smoothest and warmest laid back tubes for the T1).  I also had a Magni Modi and tried out the combo of the T1 Ampdac, T1dac with Magni amp, and Modi Dac with Magni Amp, and found that the Magni/Modi stack soundest the fullest and least harsh for me.  People do seem to love the T1, but I personally don't feel it's the best match for the DT880.

 

Are you sure the Magni/Modi sound the least harsh? Some reviews say that its leaning towards the treble side, though i don't know if its the type of treble that will make your ears bleed or the treble that is smooth and non-fatiguing.

 

Anyway I'm saving up for either these or the O2 Amp+Dac combo. Thanks for the recommendation.

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