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post #3406 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

Because CSD plots don't show much about the resolving ability of a headphone, other than that it has ringing or resonance beyond what it's supposed to reproduce.

A clean CSD plot means what you hear is pretty darn close to what you're getting from the output, but it still doesn't tell you you're getting more details.

If cleaner CSD meant more details, then modded Fostex T50RP headphones would be detail kings... and that's obviously not the case.
so what does indicate detail?
post #3407 of 10423
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I'm reading through the Battle of the Flagships thread (again) and I noticed this now that I'm actually wanting these. Can anyone else confirm this? Detail is my favorite part about headphones...

 

Then definitely go for K701's. :P

 

But no, seriously, DT880's aren't lacking detail. Read my long post to see a more in depth view about it. They have all the detail, it's just that the DT880's are so flat sounding they don't exaggerate anything.  DT990's for example are better at resolving detail, things like people coughing in the background, singers taking breaths, lips popping, fingers touching the guitar strings, or nails hitting the piano keys are more clearly audible and pop out more on the DT990, and especially on the K701. Also, details like the raspy voices, etc. are more clear.  

 

For example,  take The Beatles - Yesterday song.  With HD650's and DT880's,  McCartney's voice is smooth, almost totally smooth.  With K701's, its clearly noticeable that his voice is not completely smooth, its in fact quite raspy. Now, that might be because of the recording, but whatever, it still sounds raspy and definitely more detailed. Also, the strings of the guitar at the beginning, all those vibrations and micro-details are more obvious on the K701. Then at the beginning of the song, at about 0:18 seconds, you can hear a squeak at the far left side of the soundstage.  With DT880's that's just a silent squeak, you can't tell what it is, you can assume its a door. With K701's I can tell when was the last time they've lubricated those door hinges, and what kind of a sandwich the worker who lubricated it ate that morning. That is an exaggeration of course, but you get the picture. So, if detail is what you want, DT880's might not be the first choice.  

 

Again, its not that DT880's aren't detailed, they are, but they wont throw detail at you, you'll have to focus more to hear them.  They also don't separate sounds as well as fully opened rivals such as DT990 or K701, that's why it's harder to hear those small details, because sounds are more closely mixed together.

post #3408 of 10423

I don't think the correlations between psychoacoustic terms like "detail" and "resolution" are well-understood and uniformly perceived, regardless of what some self-described glossary will say.

 

Worse still is the correlation between concrete measurements like square-wave and transient response and the psychoacoustic linguistics.

 

Be patient and wait to listen for yourself and develop your own opinions.

post #3409 of 10423
Also, while the k701s might have more detail(maybe), i need something as neutral as possible for music production. I mostly make dubstep, so the lack of bass might mess me up especially coming from a closed bassy can.
post #3410 of 10423
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Also, while the k701s might have more detail(maybe), i need something as neutral as possible for music production. I mostly make dubstep, so the lack of bass might mess me up especially coming from a closed bassy can.

 

 

But they ARE the most neutral ones,. they're  +- 3db from 30 Hz to 10 kHz, almost completely flat. Don't forget that they are specifically made as a studio reference headphone.  Whatever people might say, the do not lack bass. Trust me, even though I don't listen to dubstep, they do rattle and they do go very deep. Listening to properly mastered electronic music, such as Infected Mushroom's albums, sounds really really good on K701. The punch you get from the bass is amazing, the speed, definition, control, clarity is extremely good and unmatched by other in the price range, no doubt about that. That's what you need for music production.

 

Let me just clarify one thing. DT880's sound more flat than K701....but both are very neutral. When I say K701's are the most neutral ones, I meant to say most transparent, that's maybe a better word. As in, they will be closer to "what goes in, goes out".  DT880's a flat at well in terms of frequency response, but they never "get alive" so to speak.  That might even be described as lack of dynamics compared to the K701,  and the transient response, meaning, the speed at which the driver reacts to signal changes, it superior on the K701.


Edited by derbigpr - 5/23/13 at 7:32am
post #3411 of 10423
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

But they ARE the most neutral ones,. they're  +- 3db from 30 Hz to 10 kHz, almost completely flat. Don't forget that they are specifically made as a studio reference headphone.  Whatever people might say, the do not lack bass. Trust me, even though I don't listen to dubstep, they do rattle and they do go very deep. Listening to properly mastered electronic music, such as Infected Mushroom's albums, sounds really really good on K701. The punch you get from the bass is amazing, the speed, definition, control, clarity is extremely good and unmatched by other in the price range, no doubt about that. That's what you need for music production.

 

Do you mean 1KHz? I don't see that level of flatness to 10KHz.

 

500Hz square wave response, CSD plots and low-range FR seem to favor the DT 880 with regards to neutrality, as do my ears.

post #3412 of 10423
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

so what does indicate detail?

Your ears!

Seriously, without listening to the headphone, it's hard to tell how you'll hear it.

Myself personally, I hear more details in headphones that have just a smidgen less treble than the 600 Ohm DT880 does. In fact, I heard more details when I EQ the treble down by 3dB starting from 7KHz. That was when I still had my 880. Another person who got to demo them said my DT880 sounded "dark", though.
Edited by Bill-P - 5/23/13 at 7:48am
post #3413 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

 

Do you mean 1KHz? I don't see that level of flatness to 10KHz.

 

500Hz square wave response, CSD plots and low-range FR seem to favor the DT 880 with regards to neutrality, as do my ears.

 

 

If you take the 1 kHz as the reference, it never deviates for more than 3 db from 30 to 10000 Hz.

post #3414 of 10423
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

If you take the 1 kHz as the reference, it never deviates for more than 3 db from 30 to 10000 Hz.


Depends on who you're asking.

 

(and compensation applied).

post #3415 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


Depends on who you're asking.

 

(and compensation applied).

 

It doesnt vary much more on other graphs either. Its still within +- 5 to 6 db on both of them.

post #3416 of 10423

How long does it take for the 880 pros to get back in stock on Amazon with the authorized seller? I can't buy it yet, but I'm hoping it will still be in stock by June 14th.

post #3417 of 10423

Don't forget to check the for sale forum here, I have managed to buy almost every headphone from here and I have never been dissapointed with my purchases, plus you should save enough money to make it worthwhile.

post #3418 of 10423
DT880 Pro's $239 @ B&H free us shipping, daleb they are in stock too. That is where I got mine.

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Edited by TrollDragon - 5/23/13 at 4:47pm
post #3419 of 10423
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

DT880 Pro's $239 @ B&H free us shipping, daleb they are in stock too. That is where I got mine.

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Hey, I think you were thinking about getting the La Figaro 336C for your DT880s?

 

That's what I use, love it!

post #3420 of 10423
I picked up my dt880s 600 in the fs forum for less than 200. Actually... all my gear is pretty from the fs forum. tech pro hpt990s and iems are the only ones not.
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